In message , at 22:07:26 on
Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Recliner remarked:
Yes, as I said, the problems were on the Sunday, when they didn't
boost services to at least Saturday levels. This won't be an issue for
the Olympics, when services will be running at max capacity.

Is National Rail running a M-F service all weekend during the Olympics
(plus the extra "get you home" trains of course)?
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 17:15:06 on Wed, 6
Jun 2012, Robin9 remarked:
A crucial question is whether Stratford Station will be able to cope.
As I understand it, people buy Olympic tickets for a three hour period

Known in the business as "morning", "afternoon" and "evening".

which presumably means that every three hours or so there will be
a
major surge in passengers. If that is correct, will the ticket
barriers
at Stratford be sufficient to "process" the resulting hordes or will
there be massive congestion?

There isn't just one pinch point (at the barriers), spectators first
have to exit the particular event, then exit the Olympic Park, then
filter through the Westfield environs to either the International or
Domestic stations (which are some way apart).

That should string out the queues, so you don't have everyone in a
single scrum.

What'll be interesting to discover is how they segregate the passengers
according to their destinations, and presumably won't want the DLR link
from International to Domestic being saturated by short-hop people,
rather than those genuinely headed for docklands and beyond on DLR.
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
CJB wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in, load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.
--
Jim Hague - Never trust a computer you can't lift.

(Jim Hague) wrote:

In article ,
CJB wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in, load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.


Is there anything London can learn from Sydney about legacy? Much was
made of the legacy that would remain after London 2012, but most of
the ideas have fallen completely flat.

For example, there has been no increase in children's participation in
sport because the run-up to the Olympics is concurrent with
significant cuts in government spending on sport. Large elements of
the Olympic park and village were supposed to have been privately
funded for profit. Instead, taxpayers' money has been used to build
these elements and even more taxpayers' money has been earmarked to
pay private firms to take these elements over.

Instead of making money for Britain, the whole shebang is going to
cost British taxpayers many billions of pounds. The original estimate
was a total cost of £2.4 billion. That isn't even going to pay for
security. The expected total cost is now in the region of £28 billion
and may rise even further.

On Jun 7, 11:57*am, (Jim Hague) wrote:
In article ,

CJB wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in, load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.
--
Jim Hague - * * * * *Never trust a computer you can't lift.

If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
£95 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered

Neill

On 07/06/2012 15:11, Neill wrote:
On Jun 7, 11:57 am, (Jim Hague) wrote:
In ,

wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in, load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.
--
Jim Hague - Never trust a computer you can't lift.

If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
£95 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered


The Olympic experience is all about being bullied by jobsworths and
being ripped off for a mediocre product, enjoy!


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Neill wrote:

If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
=A395 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered


Anyone who wants to see the Olympic Park without paying an Olympic
price for a ticket to watch an event can apparently pay £10 to get in
and have a walk round during the Paralympics.

On 07/06/2012 15:25, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 07/06/2012 15:11, Neill wrote:
On Jun 7, 11:57 am, (Jim Hague) wrote:
In
,

wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd
control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in,
load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.
--
Jim Hague - Never trust a computer
you can't lift.

If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
£95 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered


The Olympic experience is all about being bullied by jobsworths and
being ripped off for a mediocre product, enjoy!



The Olympics is all about...

"Amateur" sport undertaken by those paid very highly to do so - in
some cases they are actually called "professional" all the rest of the year.

Wondering how many medals have been won by those who haven't taken drugs.

Massive sponsorship deals which lead to the "bullied by
jobsworths..." situation above.

The pride of carrying an Olympic torch and then flogging it on e-bay.

Inconvenience, queues, then more inconvenience and more queues - and
that's for those *not* going to the Games.

The good Baron de Coubertin must be turning in his grave to see the
corrupt and money-grabbing depths to which his sporting vision has
descended. My sympathies are with the genuine athletes who have put in
a lifetime of training and dedication to be part of this spectacle which
has been cheapened as above. To a lesser extent, also to the citizens
of places such as Montreal, whose leaders duped them into signing up for
a lifetime of paying for it.

I sincerely hope to spend much of the Olympics in the more civilised
environment of a cruise ship in Norwegian waters...


The Paralympics I exempt from the above as these are being contested by
people doing their level best to overcome the disadvantages which life
has thrown at them. They deserve our respect.

--
- Yokel -

Yokel posts via a spam-trap account which is not read.

In message , Yokel
writes
I sincerely hope to spend much of the Olympics in the more civilised
environment of a cruise ship in Norwegian waters...
If it's from Bergen to Kirkenes, 1 week each way, I can recommend it.
It stops many times to pick up and drop off items en route, many in the
dead of night with stops of only 15mins. It is also better at going
sideways into port than the royal barge was, and all computer
controlled.
--
Clive

Yokel wrote:
The Olympics is all about...

"Amateur" sport undertaken by those paid very highly to do so - in
some cases they are actually called "professional" all the rest of the year.

Wondering how many medals have been won by those who haven't taken drugs.

Massive sponsorship deals which lead to the "bullied by
jobsworths..." situation above.

The pride of carrying an Olympic torch and then flogging it on e-bay.

Inconvenience, queues, then more inconvenience and more queues - and
that's for those *not* going to the Games.

The good Baron de Coubertin must be turning in his grave to see the
corrupt and money-grabbing depths to which his sporting vision has
descended. My sympathies are with the genuine athletes who have put in
a lifetime of training and dedication to be part of this spectacle which
has been cheapened as above. To a lesser extent, also to the citizens
of places such as Montreal, whose leaders duped them into signing up for
a lifetime of paying for it.

I sincerely hope to spend much of the Olympics in the more civilised
environment of a cruise ship in Norwegian waters...


The Paralympics I exempt from the above as these are being contested by
people doing their level best to overcome the disadvantages which life
has thrown at them. They deserve our respect.


Very well said, sir! Agree 100%.