On 14/06/2012 12:20, d wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:13:32 +0100
Mizter wrote:
[snip]
Or get a replacement handset and SIM, and then carry on using your
existing mobile number. (o2 will happily hand out a replacement SIM at
one of their shops.)

How do you persuade the grunt at the desk that you really have lost it and
haven't just given it to your cousin as a hand-me-down?

The number gets re-associated with the new SIM, so the old SIM becomes
useless.

The SIM might be useless but you could still have given away or sold 400 quids
worth of phone and then claimed you lost it and got a free replacement.
Even if they block the IMEI number most smartphones can still use wifi.

Eh? Where does the 'free replacement' phone come from?

If it's insurance, then that's an insurance fraud, plain and simple.
(And the old handset will have its IMEI blocked on UK networks, so it's
a case of getting the IMEI changed - not easy on many handsets, and also
now illegal - or sending the handset off to foreign parts.)

On 14/06/2012 12:42, d wrote:

On 14 Jun 2012 11:27:08 GMT
Neil wrote:
wrote:

The SIM might be useless but you could still have given away or sold 400
400 quids worth of phone and then claimed you lost it and got a free
replacement.Even if they block the IMEI number most smartphones can
still use wifi.

Who said you get a free phone? You would have to obtain a new one the same

Whoever it was who said you could get a replacement at an O2 shop.

I said you could get a replacement SIM for free.

On 14/06/2012 12:23, Neil Williams wrote:

Mizter wrote:

If they have a contract UK mobile with inclusive minutes (or a PAYG plan
that offers something similar), then calling from their mobile to yours
wouldn't incur extra expense. That's an *if* though, and there are other
factors such as availability of decent mobile reception for both the
calling and called parties.

My mobile is on and can be called all day, all week except for the 3 hours
a week I presently spend on aircraft.

I would be available to answer my landline for about 24-48 hours a week
max, usually less than that.

That convenience is most likely worth the extra few pence. As I have
unlimited minutes, anyone who wants a call back so they aren't charged can
have one. For international calls from abroad, the cost difference between
calling a UK mobile or landline is minimal, and surprisingly used to be
nothing at all!

The difference when calling from abroad isn't as minimal as you make out.

On 14/06/2012 12:31, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:41:38 on Thu, 14 Jun
2012, Mizter T remarked:
The cost to me of subsidising callers is a fixed mnthly rental, and
incoming calls are free.

The cost to others of subsidising me not having a landline varies, but
is normally an extra cost per minute on the calls (to my mobile).

If they have a contract UK mobile with inclusive minutes (or a PAYG
plan that offers something similar), then calling from their mobile to
yours wouldn't incur extra expense. That's an *if* though, and there
are other factors such as availability of decent mobile reception for
both the calling and called parties.

The callers I have in mind are from landlines, often not in the UK.

Even inclusive minutes aren't "free" if they exceed the monthly amount
by calling me, and their calls to everyone else suddenly become
40p/minute (or whatever).

Or were you thinking they might, by complete co-incidence, be on the
same mobile provider as me and have unlimited minutes?

No, I was thinking what I was saying. Yes, exceeding inclusive minutes
costs. (Though for those who do use a lot of inclusive minutes, many
contract plans now come with inclusive talk time in abundance - but no,
I don't make the assumption this is an option that is either available
to everyone or suits everyone.)

I absolutely agree that a landline is particularly useful when it comes
to receiving (conventional) calls from abroad.

In article

, (Neil Williams) wrote:

wrote:

Of course when (not if for most people) you lose your phone you'll be
completely screwed until you get a replacement and give everyone your
new number.

Why would I need to get a new number? I would have the old SIM blocked
and a new one issued with the old number.

A lot of people don't do that, but they are just being lazy. I have had
the same mobile number since 1998 and barring any prefix changes will
ensure I keep it.

Me too. The only phone I lost was one I was abut to upgrade anyway.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:

Whoever it was who said you could get a replacement at an O2 shop.

A replacement SIM. You can of course also get a replacement phone, but
will have to pay for that.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

In message
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net, at 13:01:50 on Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Neil Williams
remarked:
I'd be expecting most of the calls from other landlines.

A generational thing I think.

(I did warn her I'd post about this...)

My daughter has got into the bad habit of calling me on my landline,
using her mobile, from the next room. Sometimes, bundling too many
minutes has its downside
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

The difference when calling from abroad isn't as minimal as you make
out.

It very much depends where the call is from.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message


, at 13:01:50 on Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Neil Williams
remarked:
I'd be expecting most of the calls from other landlines.

A generational thing I think.

(I did warn her I'd post about this...)

My daughter has got into the bad habit of calling me on my landline,
using her mobile, from the next room. Sometimes, bundling too many
minutes has its downside

That's an advantage of multiple DECT handsets!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:46:12 +0100
Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message , d
writes

Why would you have to to that? They just block the old SIM when they
replace it.

Cousin buys new SIM for phone you've "lost".

New SIM logs onto the network and identifies the phone which is promptly
blocked as the IMEI belongs to a phone that has been reported stolen.

Since most smartphones can skype over wifi thats probably no great loss to
someone who's got it on the cheap or even free.

B2003