In message , Charles Ellson
writes
So far, neither of the two latest seem to be confirmed suicides rather
than accident or misadventure.
On the back of a lot of our K2 Speed Notices it used to say, "Accidents
don't happen, they are caused".
--
Clive

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:58:29 +0100, Clive
wrote:

In message , Charles Ellson
writes
So far, neither of the two latest seem to be confirmed suicides rather
than accident or misadventure.
On the back of a lot of our K2 Speed Notices it used to say, "Accidents
don't happen, they are caused".

A handy reminder whose target audience does not inevitably have
practical control of every cause.
The general distinction of an "accident" is the lack of specific
intention for the event to have happened thus possibly in accord with
the current tendency to describe many unfortunate events instead as
"incidents" unless/until displaced by later verified certainty. While
all accidents have causes, in many cases the cause might be chiefly
the opportunity for the event to have happened with minimal
contribution from the actors (and umpteen other combinations of
opportunity, intent, culpability etc.).

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:58:29 +0100
Clive wrote:
In message , Charles Ellson
writes
So far, neither of the two latest seem to be confirmed suicides rather
than accident or misadventure.
On the back of a lot of our K2 Speed Notices it used to say, "Accidents
don't happen, they are caused".

Sounds like something that was written by a personal injury parasite, sorry,
solicitor.

B2003

On 05/10/2012 09:36, d wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:58:29 +0100
Clive wrote:
In message , Charles Ellson
writes
So far, neither of the two latest seem to be confirmed suicides rather
than accident or misadventure.
On the back of a lot of our K2 Speed Notices it used to say, "Accidents
don't happen, they are caused".

Sounds like something that was written by a personal injury parasite, sorry,
solicitor.

Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
--
Phil Cook

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:56:55 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Sounds like something that was written by a personal injury parasite, sorry,
solicitor.

Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.

Of course they can just happen. A high speed blowout for example can happen
for any number of reasons completely out of control of the driver - a tyre
manufacturing fault, some debris blown onto the road, a recent pothole.
Anyone who thinks there's always someone to blame is either a legal
parasite or living on another planet.

B2003

On 05/10/2012 13:36, d wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:56:55 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Sounds like something that was written by a personal injury parasite, sorry,
solicitor.

Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.

Of course they can just happen. A high speed blowout for example can happen
for any number of reasons completely out of control of the driver - a tyre
manufacturing fault, some debris blown onto the road, a recent pothole.
Anyone who thinks there's always someone to blame is either a legal
parasite or living on another planet.

Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Accidents don't just happen.
--
Phil Cook

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:06:30 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Every effect has a cause, it doesn't mean that cause is someones fault.

Accidents don't just happen.

Yes, they do. Thats why we have the word "accident". You're delusional.

B2003

In message , at 14:06:30 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, Phil Cook remarked:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Accidents don't just happen.

And obviously, for a driver to fail to neutralise all those risks, makes
him stupid. It would take Boltar only a few minutes of his valuable
time.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:13:35 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:06:30 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, Phil Cook remarked:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Accidents don't just happen.

And obviously, for a driver to fail to neutralise all those risks, makes
him stupid. It would take Boltar only a few minutes of his valuable
time.

Go on, explain how you'd do it. Are you going to inspect your tyres yourself
with an x-ray scanner? Perhaps you'll never drive when its windy so there's
no chance of say a tree branch blowing down on your car. And if you can see
a pothole on an A road doing 60 at night with enough time to swerve and not
crash then you've got better eyesight than I have.

B2003

Boltar wrote in message ...

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:56:55 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:

Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.

Of course they can just happen. A high speed blowout for example can happen
for any number of reasons completely out of control of the driver - a tyre
manufacturing fault, some debris blown onto the road, a recent pothole.
Anyone who thinks there's always someone to blame is either a legal
parasite or living on another planet.

The statements are entirely compatible - the accident caused by the blowout
may not be under the control of the driver, but the tyre manufacturing fault
is caused by the manufacturer, the debris is down to whoever left it where
it could be blown on to the road, and the pothole is down to poor planning
of maintenance by the highway authority. But these may not have legal
liability, if the foreseeability of the accident was too remote, or the
manufacturing/inspection regime was deemed satisfactory.

Peter.