In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Oct 23, 9:22*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:

The normal Off Peak Day Return has the same restriction from
Liverpool St. However, there's a Greater-Anglia-only off peak
Travelcard which has no evening blackout period.

Not any more. Evening peak restrictions only apply to GA Super-Off Peak
tickets, now available on weekdays, and not to Off-Peak tickets via the
West Anglia Route including Tottenham Hale.

There's conflicting information online. Journey planners suggest the
Off-Peak Day Return isn't valid in the evening peaks on either route,
but looking at the BRFARES site they say it's a B1 which doesn't have
any evening restrictions on either route (but I'm sure no-one thinks
they are valid from Kings Cross).

I haven't looked anything up, but it sounds like you're both talking
at cross-purposes - you're talking about the *any permitted* Off-Peak
Day Returns, Colin's talking about the (cheaper) *GA-only* Off-Peak
Day Returns.

My point is that, whatever the ticket, there are no evening peak
restrictions on the West Anglia route. This was announced with the extension
of Super Off-Peak validity to weekdays (with evening peak restrictions).

Meanwhile they seem to agree over the Off-peak period return, with an
evening blackout of 1628-1835 on both lines.

True.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 17:33:55
on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
How many of these people are going to Nowhere-in-the-Fen and
Littleheardof St.Forgotten, and how many are turning left at Ely and
heading for the Midlands or (proper) North?

Mostly going to the city of Norwich or King's Lynn, Thetford

Not as far as I can see.

and other East Anglian towns, I expect.

Unless that includes Ely and Peterborough.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at
22:13:42 on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, Arthur Figgis
remarked:
You don't seem to be taking much account of how full each train is. In
particular only the "Cruisers" have much in the way of southbound
patronage from Cambridge during the day. And half of one of those has
come from Kings Lynn and Ely.

Western Europe's largest city in "more popular destination than
Shepreth" shock.

It is, but remember there are seven or eight tph leaving Cambridge for
the south every hour, which gives a false sense of activity because only
two of them have very many passengers on (when they leave Cambridge).
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 18:14:37
on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:

My point is that, whatever the ticket, there are no evening peak
restrictions on the West Anglia route. This was announced with the extension
of Super Off-Peak validity to weekdays (with evening peak restrictions).

Meanwhile they seem to agree over the Off-peak period return, with an
evening blackout of 1628-1835 on both lines.

True.

You do realise you've just contradicted yourself?
--
Roland Perry

In message
, at
15:26:32 on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, Mizter T remarked:
The normal Off Peak Day Return has the same restriction from
Liverpool St. However, there's a Greater-Anglia-only off peak
Travelcard which has no evening blackout period.

Not any more. Evening peak restrictions only apply to GA Super-Off Peak
tickets, now available on weekdays, and not to Off-Peak tickets via the West
Anglia Route including Tottenham Hale.

There's conflicting information online. Journey planners suggest the
Off-Peak Day Return isn't valid in the evening peaks on either route,
but looking at the BRFARES site they say it's a B1 which doesn't have
any evening restrictions on either route (but I'm sure no-one thinks
they are valid from Kings Cross).

I haven't looked anything up, but it sounds like you're both talking
at cross-purposes - you're talking about the *any permitted* Off-Peak
Day Returns, Colin's talking about the (cheaper) *GA-only* Off-Peak
Day Returns.

Colin is having problems with an invisible "GA-only" in some of his
postings.

The full situation is: Mon-Fri blackout

Super-off-peak day return GA-only 15.59-19.01
Off-peak day return GA-only none (but some JPs don't agree)
Off-peak return GA-only 16.29-18.34

Super-off-peak day return available weekends only
Off-peak day return 16.29-18.34 LST
16.29-19.00 KGX
Off-peak return 17.30-18.30 KGX (LST unrestricted)

--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
22:13:42 on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, Arthur Figgis
remarked:
You don't seem to be taking much account of how full each train is. In
particular only the "Cruisers" have much in the way of southbound
patronage from Cambridge during the day. And half of one of those has
come from Kings Lynn and Ely.

Western Europe's largest city in "more popular destination than
Shepreth" shock.

It is, but remember there are seven or eight tph leaving Cambridge
for the south every hour, which gives a false sense of activity
because only two of them have very many passengers on (when they
leave Cambridge).

Seven. And on goes no further South than Stansted. And the slow trains
aren't that empty.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
18:14:37 on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:

My point is that, whatever the ticket, there are no evening peak
restrictions on the West Anglia route. This was announced with the
extension of Super Off-Peak validity to weekdays (with evening peak
restrictions).

Meanwhile they seem to agree over the Off-peak period return, with an
evening blackout of 1628-1835 on both lines.

True.

You do realise you've just contradicted yourself?

I've only talked about /day/ returns. And, checking on the GA web site, it
appears I was wrong. Any Permitted Off-peak (period) returns are valid from
Liverpool St in the evening peak.

There is also a GA only Off-Peak (period) Return which is valid in the
morning peak earlier than the Any Permitted version (is that allowed?) but
not in the evening peak.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message
,
at 15:26:32 on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, Mizter T remarked:
The normal Off Peak Day Return has the same restriction from
Liverpool St. However, there's a Greater-Anglia-only off peak
Travelcard which has no evening blackout period.

Not any more. Evening peak restrictions only apply to GA Super-Off
Peak tickets, now available on weekdays, and not to Off-Peak tickets
via the West Anglia Route including Tottenham Hale.

There's conflicting information online. Journey planners suggest the
Off-Peak Day Return isn't valid in the evening peaks on either route,
but looking at the BRFARES site they say it's a B1 which doesn't have
any evening restrictions on either route (but I'm sure no-one thinks
they are valid from Kings Cross).

I haven't looked anything up, but it sounds like you're both talking
at cross-purposes - you're talking about the *any permitted* Off-Peak
Day Returns, Colin's talking about the (cheaper) *GA-only* Off-Peak
Day Returns.

Colin is having problems with an invisible "GA-only" in some of his
postings.

The full situation is: Mon-Fri blackout

Super-off-peak day return GA-only 15.59-19.01
Off-peak day return GA-only none (but some JPs don't agree)
Off-peak return GA-only 16.29-18.34

Super-off-peak day return available weekends only
Off-peak day return 16.29-18.34 LST
16.29-19.00 KGX
Off-peak return 17.30-18.30 KGX (LST
unrestricted)

Greater Anglia do seem a bit confused about Any Permitted Off Peak Day
Returns. Their journey planner, and East Coast's don't offer it in the
evening peak though they do offer GA-only Off Peak Day Returns. On the other
hand the GA web site doesn't say there are restrictions:

Departing from London*
Evening (Monday–Friday) Off-Peak: not between 16.29 - 18.34
Off-Peak Day: no restrictions**
Super Off-Peak Day: not between 15.59 - 19.01

Exceptions: Off-Peak tickets are permitted at certain peak times to stations
on the Felixstowe, Sudbury and Braintree branch lines; please ask for full
details.

**Off-Peak Day Travelcards from stations north of Ipswich (inclusive) have
the same evening restrictions as Off-Peak returns (16.29-18.34 from London)."

and ends up with this:

"Off-Peak, Off-Peak Day and Super Off-Peak Day tickets which do not involve
travel to, from or via central London are generally restricted in the
morning period only. Typically Off-Peak and Off-Peak Day tickets are valid
after 08.45 or 09.00 outside Greater London, and after 09.30 for journeys
outwards from the London suburbs, and Super Off-Peak Day tickets are valid
after 12.00. Please enquire as to the exact validity of tickets for the
journey you intend to make."

None of the exceptions relate to West Anglia journeys between Cambridge and
London.

So definitely no restrictions on Off-Peak Day Returns. I didn't think Any
Permitted tickets could be more restrictive than ToC-only tickets anyway.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 06:04:14
on Wed, 24 Oct 2012, remarked:
My point is that, whatever the ticket, there are no evening peak
restrictions on the West Anglia route. This was announced with the
extension of Super Off-Peak validity to weekdays (with evening peak
restrictions).

Meanwhile they seem to agree over the Off-peak period return, with an
evening blackout of 1628-1835 on both lines.

True.

You do realise you've just contradicted yourself?

I've only talked about /day/ returns.

Oh, now you tell us.

And, checking on the GA web site, it appears I was wrong. Any
Permitted Off-peak (period) returns are valid from Liverpool St in the
evening peak.

Yes, they are.

There is also a GA only Off-Peak (period) Return which is valid in the
morning peak earlier than the Any Permitted version (is that allowed?)

Can you arrive in London earlier, or just leave Cambridge earlier (it's
going to be slower).

but not in the evening peak.

Correct.
--
Roland Perry

On 23/10/2012 08:09, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 22:24:22 on
Mon, 22 Oct 2012, Paul Corfield remarked:

However we have no idea quite how well off the OP is

Reasonably so, to be proposing staying in a hotel in Cambridge, hiring a
car and driving 100 miles a day in it.

Don't FCC have some complex restrictions on trains out
of KX if you happen to hold an off peak ticket?

Not really. If you have an off-peak day return ticket from Cambridge
there's a simple blackout period of 4.30pm to 7pm. To avoid whatever the
rail equivalent of "rat-running" is, FCC have a rather complex system of
rules for other journeys, but that's not relevant to the OP's requirements.

In any case the sensible ticket to buy is a weekly season, so all the
time/route restriction stuff is irrelevant.

For weekly seasons, the OP should note a photocard is required - easily
obtained from any rail station ticket office, but if you want one you
need to give them a passport sized photo first. You also need to give
them your name, or at least a name, to appear on the photocard.