On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 04:33:04 -0600
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:22:13 +0000
Ken Wheatley wrote:
The platforms at Aldgate are on such a tight curve I doubt anything
much can be done to alleviate the situation.

The A stock partially solved it by having a floor higher than the platform
and
so allowing the floor to be wider. Of course now LU has to cater for all
these
fictitious wheelchair users who are flocking to the tube in droves (not) now
its being made more accessable that clearly isn't possible.

Perhaps more of them will, once the stations at *both* ends of their
journeys are accessible?

There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen someone in
a wheelchair on the tube yet?

B2003

In article , wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 04:33:04 -0600
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:22:13 +0000
Ken Wheatley wrote:
The platforms at Aldgate are on such a tight curve I doubt anything
much can be done to alleviate the situation.

The A stock partially solved it by having a floor higher than the platform
and
so allowing the floor to be wider. Of course now LU has to cater for all
these
fictitious wheelchair users who are flocking to the tube in droves (not) now
its being made more accessable that clearly isn't possible.

Perhaps more of them will, once the stations at *both* ends of their
journeys are accessible?

There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen someone in
a wheelchair on the tube yet?

Why are you so focussed on wheelchairs ? Plenty of people have problems
with steps who aren't in chairs. (and steps from platform across a
ruddy great gap into a train, or vice versa, still count as steps).

Nick
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
Nick Leverton wrote:
There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen someone in
a wheelchair on the tube yet?

Why are you so focussed on wheelchairs ? Plenty of people have problems

I'm not, but LU are. All these changes are SPECIFICALLY for wheelchair users,
not people who need a stick to walk and so on.

B2003

In article , d
says...

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
Nick Leverton wrote:
There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen someone in
a wheelchair on the tube yet?

Why are you so focussed on wheelchairs ? Plenty of people have problems

I'm not, but LU are. All these changes are SPECIFICALLY for wheelchair users,
not people who need a stick to walk and so on.

B2003

Wheelchair users seen on Central, Jubilee, Northern and District Lines
at various times last year and this year.

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:37:56 -0000
Jim [wake wrote:
In article , d
says...

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
Nick Leverton wrote:
There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen someone in
a wheelchair on the tube yet?

Why are you so focussed on wheelchairs ? Plenty of people have problems

I'm not, but LU are. All these changes are SPECIFICALLY for wheelchair users,
not people who need a stick to walk and so on.

B2003

Wheelchair users seen on Central, Jubilee, Northern and District Lines
at various times last year and this year.

Oh really? Which bits specifically?

B2003

In article , d
says...

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:37:56 -0000
Jim [wake wrote:
In article , d
says...

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
Nick Leverton wrote:
There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen someone in
a wheelchair on the tube yet?

Why are you so focussed on wheelchairs ? Plenty of people have problems

I'm not, but LU are. All these changes are SPECIFICALLY for wheelchair users,
not people who need a stick to walk and so on.

B2003

Wheelchair users seen on Central, Jubilee, Northern and District Lines
at various times last year and this year.

Oh really? Which bits specifically?

B2003

Central Line :: Wanstead to beyond Liverpool Street [passenger had to
struggle to get the wheelchair down the ecalator]

Jubilee Line :: Stratford to North Greenwich, Canary Wharf to London
Bridge, Canada Water to beyond London Bridge

Northern Line :: London Bridge to Euston

District Line :: East Ham travelling westbound, West Ham travelling
westbound, also at other times but I don't remember where.

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:08:57 -0000
Jim [wake wrote:
Oh really? Which bits specifically?

B2003

Central Line :: Wanstead to beyond Liverpool Street [passenger had to
struggle to get the wheelchair down the ecalator]

So how did he manage that then? Stand up and hold it?

Jubilee Line :: Stratford to North Greenwich, Canary Wharf to London
Bridge, Canada Water to beyond London Bridge

Northern Line :: London Bridge to Euston

District Line :: East Ham travelling westbound, West Ham travelling
westbound, also at other times but I don't remember where.

Sorry, don't believe you. I've never seen anyone in a wheelchair on the tube.
Ever. What are the chances of you seeing them all those times and me never
seeing any? Slim.

B2003

In article ,
d wrote:
There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen someone in
a wheelchair on the tube yet?

There are 66 stations which step-free from street to platform. That
means that there are 66 time 65 (just over 4 thousand) possible
journeys with both ends step-free. Assuming all the interchanges
are step free, of course.

There are 270 stations total. That means that there are 270*269
(or just over 72 thousand) possible journeys on LuL.

That means that around 6% of journeys are possible step-free.

If LuL wish to improve things, more power to them: 6% is dreadfully
low. Remember that the design life of S-Stock is probably around
30 years - and a lot can change in that time. In the mean time,
step free adaptations are mostly benifiting those with prams and
luggage; for them, a step free station at one end of the journey
will help as they have the option of strugling up the stairs at the
other end.


Cheers,
Mike

--
Mike Bristow

On 05/11/2012 16:52, Mike Bristow wrote:

In article ,
d wrote:
There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen
someone in a wheelchair on the tube yet?

There are 66 stations which step-free from street to platform. That
means that there are 66 time 65 (just over 4 thousand) possible
journeys with both ends step-free. Assuming all the interchanges
are step free, of course.

There are 270 stations total. That means that there are 270*269
(or just over 72 thousand) possible journeys on LuL.

That means that around 6% of journeys are possible step-free.

If LuL wish to improve things, more power to them: 6% is dreadfully
low. Remember that the design life of S-Stock is probably around
30 years - and a lot can change in that time. In the mean time,
step free adaptations are mostly benifiting those with prams and
luggage; for them, a step free station at one end of the journey
will help as they have the option of strugling up the stairs at the
other end.

Well said.

Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
There are plenty of journeys available already. Has anyone seen someone in
a wheelchair on the tube yet?

There are 66 stations which step-free from street to platform. That
means that there are 66 time 65 (just over 4 thousand) possible
journeys with both ends step-free. Assuming all the interchanges
are step free, of course.

There are 270 stations total. That means that there are 270*269
(or just over 72 thousand) possible journeys on LuL.

That means that around 6% of journeys are possible step-free.

If LuL wish to improve things, more power to them: 6% is dreadfully
low. Remember that the design life of S-Stock is probably around
30 years - and a lot can change in that time. In the mean time,
step free adaptations are mostly benifiting those with prams and
luggage; for them, a step free station at one end of the journey
will help as they have the option of strugling up the stairs at the
other end.

Actually, it's even more useful at interchange stations. When I change en
route from Heathrow, having lifts at Acton Town saves me stairs both up and
down when carrying a heavy suitcase. I often meet people pushing prams when
doing so.