Mizter T wrote:
On 12/11/2012 14:06, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:31:52 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:
[...]
Looks like I'm having a bad spelling day. Or perhaps freudian slip!
"Mayor" Boris certainly isn't lazy when it comes to promoting himself or his
latest daft wheeze, but he doesn't seem that interested in talking about
anything that can't be used for self promotion or might be have negative
publicity. Eg the latest fare rises. I haven't noticed him in the media giving
us a good explanation of why we have be getting yet another above RPI rise.
He leaves his lackys to step into that firing line.

It was interesting that Isabel Dedring, Deputy Mayor for Transport,
was left to take the flak from Tim Donovan on the BBC's Sunday
Politics show yesterday. I did ponder how Boris would have performed
under Mr D's onslaught of questions and concluded that he would have
found it pretty tough. Ms Dedring did OK-ish but was rather evasive
on a few points.


The absurd notion that Bozza could one day be PM can't come from anyone
who's witnessed either his evasive answering to question sessions (MQT
etc), nor noted his evasiveness in avoiding being questioned if he can
help it (shunning Donovan and anyone else who might ask actual
questions). As a PM one has to answer questions - observe for example the
disapproval from many MPs including Tories directed at Cameron for
refusing to answer Chris Bryant MP's questions about Cameron's text
message exchanges with Rebekah Brooks (of News International) - it's just
not the done thing.

Still I guess the Tory right wing need to have their fantasies to keep
them happy - that is despite the fact that Boris's politics are really
quite as in alignment with their own as they might wish!

Indeed -- apart from his love of Routemsters old and new, Boris and Ken
actually have surprisingly similar policies. Of course, Kennwas more than
happy to answer detailed questions on his version.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:37:01 +0000
Mizter T wrote:
Still I guess the Tory right wing need to have their fantasies to keep
them happy - that is despite the fact that Boris's politics are really
quite as in alignment with their own as they might wish!

Don't make the mistake of thinking that all of us right wingers are taken in
by The Boris Show.

B2003

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:35:55 -0600
Recliner wrote:
Indeed -- apart from his love of Routemsters old and new, Boris and Ken
actually have surprisingly similar policies. Of course, Kennwas more than
happy to answer detailed questions on his version.

Ken was good with transport but is still stuck in the 1980s with everything
else, such as his obsession with race and ethnicity and his habit of turning
a blind eye to dodgy goings on in his team didn't endear him to many.

B2003

wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:35:55 -0600
Recliner wrote:
Indeed -- apart from his love of Routemsters old and new, Boris and Ken
actually have surprisingly similar policies. Of course, Kennwas more than
happy to answer detailed questions on his version.

Ken was good with transport but is still stuck in the 1980s with everything
else, such as his obsession with race and ethnicity and his habit of turning
a blind eye to dodgy goings on in his team didn't endear him to many.

True, but Boris has also appointed several less than ideal lieutenants.

On 07/11/2012 11:40, Recliner wrote:
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20234125


In the past couple of years, at the end of the year TfL have displayed
both the outgoing and incoming fares on their website, along with a
label type icon that denotes which year a particular webpage of fare
tables refers to.

I presume they're going to do the same this year, except rather
unhelpfully and potentially confusingly the TfL web bods have managed to
add the "2011" icon to the current (2012) fares pages (the new 2013
fares have not yet appeared).

Examples...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14414.aspx
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14415.aspx

It's rather sloppy, considering this is pretty basic stuff (i.e. check
the result of your changes).

On Nov 27, 8:13*am, Mizter T wrote:
On 07/11/2012 11:40, Recliner wrote:

*Fromhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20234125

In the past couple of years, at the end of the year TfL have displayed
both the outgoing and incoming fares on their website, along with a
label type icon that denotes which year a particular webpage of fare
tables refers to.

I presume they're going to do the same this year, except rather
unhelpfully and potentially confusingly the TfL web bods have managed to
add the "2011" icon to the current (2012) fares pages (the new 2013
fares have not yet appeared).

Examples...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14414.aspx
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14415.aspx

It's rather sloppy, considering this is pretty basic stuff (i.e. check
the result of your changes).

Yes - very sloppy - but the website is probably contacted out to a
company of script kiddies who know it all but actually know nothing.

The BIG scandal of these ticket price rises is that TfL will net an
increased considerable profit from:

1/ faults in the Oyster card system:

- confused tourists not touching in AND out - maybe the gates are left
open due to lack of staff

- double charging such as when going from say the Bakerloo Line to
Circle/Hammersmith & City Line at Paddington via platform 12.

- touching in then immediately touching out when there is a disruption
in the services

OR

2/ the scam on the buses that has been operated for years:

- bus is suddenly terminated mid-route, pax are requested to get off
and catch the next bus - thereby incurring a double Oyster card
payment for a single journey

CJB.

On 27/11/2012 08:04, Mizter T wrote:

On 07/11/2012 11:40, Recliner wrote:
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20234125

In the past couple of years, at the end of the year TfL have displayed
both the outgoing and incoming fares on their website, along with a
label type icon that denotes which year a particular webpage of fare
tables refers to.

I presume they're going to do the same this year, except rather
unhelpfully and potentially confusingly the TfL web bods have managed to
add the "2011" icon to the current (2012) fares pages (the new 2013
fares have not yet appeared).

Examples...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14414.aspx
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14415.aspx

It's rather sloppy, considering this is pretty basic stuff (i.e. check
the result of your changes).

Fixed as of midday today if not earlier.

On 27/11/2012 09:41, CJB wrote:
2/ the scam on the buses that has been operated for years:

- bus is suddenly terminated mid-route, pax are requested to get off
and catch the next bus - thereby incurring a double Oyster card
payment for a single journey

I've never been asked to touch in on the second bus when this has
happened (there was a lot of it round here recently). Someone is usually
give a huge ticket to take between vehicles. I would hope if inspectors
did get on, they would surely accept the previous bus stopping short as
a valid reason for only paying once.

Minor problems can occur when the next bus is a different number.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Arthur Figgis wrote:

I've never been asked to touch in on the second bus when this has
happened (there was a lot of it round here recently). Someone is usually
give a huge ticket to take between vehicles. I would hope if inspectors
did get on, they would surely accept the previous bus stopping short as a
valid reason for only paying once.

Minor problems can occur when the next bus is a different number.

Wouldn't be an issue at all if bus to bus transfer was introduced, as it
would be sensible to do, at least on Oyster.

It is daft that when travelling by Tube the length of your journey
(approximated zonally) is the basis on which you pay, yet for buses you pay
*more* if there happens to be no direct bus than if there does.
Double-inconvenienced, you might say.

It's also daft that you pay more to use a bus on top of your Tube journey
as a double inconvenience that you can't get where you are going solely by
Tube.

Time for a true Verbundtarif (though probably retaining discounted bus only
rates for reasons of avoiding Tube overcrowding, and possibly social
inclusion). Boris, have you got the guts?

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

On 27/11/2012 21:53, Neil Williams wrote:

It is daft that when travelling by Tube the length of your journey
(approximated zonally) is the basis on which you pay, yet for buses you pay
*more* if there happens to be no direct bus than if there does.
Double-inconvenienced, you might say.

For the bus users who* pay...


*I assume there is someone else?
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK