Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:18:12 -0600, Recliner
wrote:

Thanks for the info. Do you know what would happen if I tried to use it to
enter a NR station before 9:30? Would it open the gate? And what happens
if it's an ungated station with an Oyster reader?

It should not open the gate. Before Freedom Passes were made 24 hours
they would not open a gate before 0900 / 0930. This is the same as
happens with off peak One Day Travelcards that similarly do not open
gates before 0930 M-F.

A validator should show a reject message but obviously it can't
physically stop you entering the platform. You would be at risk of
being caught for ticketless travel if you travel on a NR service
before your pass becomes valid.

I see that a few NR routes, traditionally those with
inter-availability with LU, offer free travel before 0930 M-F.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...tocard-pdf.pdf

Thanks, yes it's confusing how bits of the Chiltern lines that parallel or
share LU lines have 24 availability, but others don't.

On 11/11/2012 12:57, Recliner wrote:

Thanks, yes it's confusing how bits of the Chiltern lines that parallel or
share LU lines have 24 availability, but others don't.

The only bit that may seem less than obvious at first is South Ruislip -
West Ruislip. It's perfectly logical though, as the gates at each end
won't know whether you've travelled on Chiltern or the Central Line.

And Marylebone - Amersham is an extension of the interavailability of
paper tickets.

Cheers,

Barry

Barry Salter wrote:
On 11/11/2012 12:57, Recliner wrote:

Thanks, yes it's confusing how bits of the Chiltern lines that parallel or
share LU lines have 24 availability, but others don't.

The only bit that may seem less than obvious at first is South Ruislip -
West Ruislip. It's perfectly logical though, as the gates at each end
won't know whether you've travelled on Chiltern or the Central Line.

And Marylebone - Amersham is an extension of the interavailability of paper tickets.

Unfortunately for me, my nearest station is one of the Chiltern ones that
doesn't participate in this (even though it has Oyster OSI with a nearby
Tube station).

On 11/11/2012 13:45, Paul Corfield wrote:
[...]
Other sets of interavailabilities / time based restrictions have grown
up over the years because of the "early adopters" of PAYG plus the
impact of London Overground. The proliferation of discount schemes and
the reluctance of the TOCs to participate in them is another factor in
burgeoning availability complexity.

I dare say a new set will emerge when the Overground extends in a few
weeks time where you'll be able to go to Denmark Hill on a LOROL train
before 0930 but not on a South Eastern or Southern one! [...]

Though you won't be going to Denmark Hill on a Southern train from 9
December onwards, as there won't be any! (Unless a signalman sets the
wrong route, and a driver takes it...)


[...] I'm assuming
the practice will be the same as happens south of New Cross Gate where
using LOROL is fine but Southern is not (before 0930 M-F).

Agreed, there are posters up to this effect at stations south of NX Gate.

On 12/11/2012 14:41, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:00:21 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:

On 11/11/2012 13:45, Paul Corfield wrote:
[...]
Other sets of interavailabilities / time based restrictions have grown
up over the years because of the "early adopters" of PAYG plus the
impact of London Overground. The proliferation of discount schemes and
the reluctance of the TOCs to participate in them is another factor in
burgeoning availability complexity.

I dare say a new set will emerge when the Overground extends in a few
weeks time where you'll be able to go to Denmark Hill on a LOROL train
before 0930 but not on a South Eastern or Southern one! [...]

Though you won't be going to Denmark Hill on a Southern train from 9
December onwards, as there won't be any! (Unless a signalman sets the
wrong route, and a driver takes it...)

Trust me to choose a station without Southern after 9 Dec 2012. Can I
swap to Peckham Rye which I assume will keep some Southern service
coverage? I am showing up my relative ignorance of the rail network
south of the Thames!

You can - if there's no Southern service at Peckham Rye from 9 Dec
onwards then something will have gone badly wrong with the planning!

(Denmark Hill's only Southern service being the 'South London Line'
service which shuttles between Victoria and London Bridge, which is of
course being withdrawn at the timetable change.)