I and some colleagues had a last ride on the South London Line this
afternoon, from Victoria to London Bridge.

One question arising is which bits of line will cease to have services from
9th December.

It seems to me that only the South London Line from the junction just North
of Battersea Park to just short of Wandsworth Road, including the South
London platforms at Battersea Park, will lose all services and, though there
will cease to be direct services between Denmark Hill and London Bridge, the
journey will still be possible by changing at Peckham Rye or Queen's Road,
Peckham, the latter on the same platform.

Am I correct?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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It seems to me that only the South London Line from the junction just
North
of Battersea Park to just short of Wandsworth Road, including the South
London platforms at Battersea Park, will lose all services and, though
there
will cease to be direct services between Denmark Hill and London Bridge,
the
journey will still be possible by changing at Peckham Rye or Queen's Road,
Peckham, the latter on the same platform.

Am I correct?

Not fully, because LO are running a token service to/from Battersea Park to
keep the line open and avoid closure procedures.

Paul S

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(Paul Scott) wrote:

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It seems to me that only the South London Line from the junction just
North of Battersea Park to just short of Wandsworth Road, including the
South London platforms at Battersea Park, will lose all services and,
though there will cease to be direct services between Denmark Hill and
London Bridge, the journey will still be possible by changing at Peckham
Rye or Queen's Road, Peckham, the latter on the same platform.

Am I correct?

Not fully, because LO are running a token service to/from Battersea
Park to keep the line open and avoid closure procedures.

Just Battersea Park or Victoria to Wandsworth Road? If only Battersea Park
to Wandsworth Road that will mean no service over the junction between the
Battersea Park South London Line platforms and Victoria and if only Victoria
to Battersea Park it will mean no service between there and the junction
near Wandsworth Road.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
() wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

wrote in message
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It seems to me that only the South London Line from the junction just
North of Battersea Park to just short of Wandsworth Road, including
the South London platforms at Battersea Park, will lose all services
and, though there will cease to be direct services between Denmark
Hill and London Bridge, the journey will still be possible by changing
at Peckham Rye or Queen's Road, Peckham, the latter on the same
platform.

Am I correct?

Not fully, because LO are running a token service to/from Battersea
Park to keep the line open and avoid closure procedures.

Just Battersea Park or Victoria to Wandsworth Road? If only Battersea
Park to Wandsworth Road that will mean no service over the junction
between the Battersea Park South London Line platforms and Victoria
and if only Victoria to Battersea Park it will mean no service
between there and the junction near Wandsworth Road.

Aha! Looking at the new timetable, I see SE's 18:59 M-F from Denmark Hill,
calling at Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road at 19:04 and 19:05,
arriving Victoria at 19:14. It doesn't stop at Battersea Park though. Odd.

And there is LO's 22:17 M-F from Highbury & Islington calling at all
stations to Wandsworth Road (22:57) and terminating at Battersea Park at
22:59. There's an 06:18 from Battersea Park to Highbury & Islington running
in a normal South london path. I can't find any SE working in that
direction. Their one service does cover the length of track between
Battersea Park South London platforms and Victoria, which LO don't.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Just Battersea Park or Victoria to Wandsworth Road? If only Battersea Park
to Wandsworth Road that will mean no service over the junction between the
Battersea Park South London Line platforms and Victoria and if only
Victoria
to Battersea Park it will mean no service between there and the junction
near Wandsworth Road.

I don't think they actually need to run over the physical junction for the
purposes of keeping the route open to passengers. The requirement is only
for a passenger to be able to get between the stations in question - IIRC
this point came up in a previous discussion about the subtle difference
between a 'line closure' and 'withdrawal of railway passenger services'
under the 2005 Act.

This token service is to overcome the latter, because the line itself is not
closing and the physical route will remain available - even if only ever
used by ECS or diversions.

Paul S

In article ,
wrote:
In article ,
() wrote:

Just Battersea Park or Victoria to Wandsworth Road? If only Battersea
Park to Wandsworth Road that will mean no service over the junction
between the Battersea Park South London Line platforms and Victoria
and if only Victoria to Battersea Park it will mean no service
between there and the junction near Wandsworth Road.

Aha! Looking at the new timetable, I see SE's 18:59 M-F from Denmark Hill,
calling at Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road at 19:04 and 19:05,
arriving Victoria at 19:14. It doesn't stop at Battersea Park though. Odd.

Presumably it must go via the Stuarts Lane low level line - I think the
SLL lines have access to that route these days.

And there is LO's 22:17 M-F from Highbury & Islington calling at all
stations to Wandsworth Road (22:57) and terminating at Battersea Park at
22:59. There's an 06:18 from Battersea Park to Highbury & Islington running
in a normal South london path. I can't find any SE working in that
direction. Their one service does cover the length of track between
Battersea Park South London platforms and Victoria, which LO don't.

That seems odd to me, as I thought one reason for this truncation of
services was to allow the SLL junction at Battersea Park to be abolished
so that the Brighton line platforms could be extended ?

Nick
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In article , (Nick Leverton)
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
In article ,
() wrote:

Just Battersea Park or Victoria to Wandsworth Road? If only Battersea
Park to Wandsworth Road that will mean no service over the junction
between the Battersea Park South London Line platforms and Victoria
and if only Victoria to Battersea Park it will mean no service
between there and the junction near Wandsworth Road.

Aha! Looking at the new timetable, I see SE's 18:59 M-F from Denmark
Hill, calling at Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road at 19:04 and
19:05, arriving Victoria at 19:14. It doesn't stop at Battersea Park
though. Odd.

Presumably it must go via the Stuarts Lane low level line - I think the
SLL lines have access to that route these days.

And there is LO's 22:17 M-F from Highbury & Islington calling at all
stations to Wandsworth Road (22:57) and terminating at Battersea Park at
22:59. There's an 06:18 from Battersea Park to Highbury & Islington
running in a normal South london path. I can't find any SE working in
that direction. Their one service does cover the length of track between
Battersea Park South London platforms and Victoria, which LO don't.

That seems odd to me, as I thought one reason for this truncation of
services was to allow the SLL junction at Battersea Park to be abolished
so that the Brighton line platforms could be extended ?

I wasn't aware of that idea. It would be consistent with the SE service
avoiding Battersea Park then.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:52:17 -0000, Paul Scott wrote:
I don't think they actually need to run over the physical junction for the
purposes of keeping the route open to passengers. The requirement is only
for a passenger to be able to get between the stations in question - IIRC
this point came up in a previous discussion about the subtle difference
between a 'line closure' and 'withdrawal of railway passenger services'
under the 2005 Act.

Is the act online?

--
jhk

"Jarle H Knudsen" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:52:17 -0000, Paul Scott wrote:
I don't think they actually need to run over the physical junction for
the
purposes of keeping the route open to passengers. The requirement is
only
for a passenger to be able to get between the stations in question - IIRC
this point came up in a previous discussion about the subtle difference
between a 'line closure' and 'withdrawal of railway passenger services'
under the 2005 Act.

Is the act online?

all acts from about 2000 are.

but you have to know its correct name :-(

tim

Is the act online?

all acts from about 2000 are.

but you have to know its correct name :-(

I'm all for doing all I can to encourage visitors to the UK: we need all
the inward investment we can get (and so far as I know our beer supplies
are reasonably secure and can stand Jarle's visits!)

Most UK statutes can now be found at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/. -
and not just those since 2000. They have Acts back to 1267.

I think the 2005 Act in question is the Railways Act 2005 -
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/14/contents



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Robin
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