On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:22:54 -0800 (PST), e27002
wrote:

On 29 Nov, 20:55, wrote:
In article
,

(e27002) wrote:
On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Has appeared here on
flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and it
clearly shows the difference between through services and branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea
someone came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. *It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. *These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use on
the East London?

Can dual voltage stock reaches the East London section, and its
branches to the south?

Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

A map for the DC only sections, showing
interchanges to the rest of the Overground, would be much easier on
the eye. The real question is how easy do non enthusiasts find
reading the map.

Presumably the content and style of the maps is a TfL choice, not that
of the operator.

In article ,
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:22:54 -0800 (PST), e27002
wrote:

On 29 Nov, 20:55, wrote:
In article
,

(e27002) wrote:
On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Has appeared here on
flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and
it clearly shows the difference between through services and
branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea
someone came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. *It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. *These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the
network anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in
regular use on the East London?

Can dual voltage stock reaches the East London section, and its
branches to the south?

Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Things would be clearer if there was a picture taken along platform 7 in the
other direction. I've got the shot but not on the web.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:22:54 -0800 (PST), e27002
wrote:

Can dual voltage stock reaches the East London section, and its
branches to the south?

Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Things would be clearer if there was a picture taken along platform 7 in the
other direction. I've got the shot but not on the web.

You mean platform 2.
--
Roger

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets some
speed up first and hopes for the best!

B2003

On 30/11/2012 10:03, d wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets some
speed up first and hopes for the best!


Except the right hand line has third rail at least up to the bridge the
photo was taken from. Very strange

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:20:39 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 30/11/2012 10:03, d wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets
some
speed up first and hopes for the best!


Except the right hand line has third rail at least up to the bridge the
photo was taken from. Very strange

Thats the dead end track isn't it?

B2003

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:20:39 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 30/11/2012 10:03, d wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets
some
speed up first and hopes for the best!


Except the right hand line has third rail at least up to the bridge the
photo was taken from. Very strange

Thats the dead end track isn't it?


The right hand line ends in a buffer stop under the bridge from which the
photo was taken. The left hand line continues as the transfer line between
the ELL and the NLL. This is currently OOU, but for it to be used there will
either have to be an AC/DC interface, or anything using it will have to be
dragged by a diseasel.

Platform numbering at Highbury & Islington is bizarre. The ELL platforms (in
the photograph) are 1 and 2. The NLL platforms are 7 and 8 (the central
island is 2 and 7). 3-6 are the low level platforms for the Victoria Line
and the Northern City (Moorgate) line.

Peter

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:56 -0000
"Peter Masson" wrote:
The right hand line ends in a buffer stop under the bridge from which the
photo was taken. The left hand line continues as the transfer line between
the ELL and the NLL. This is currently OOU, but for it to be used there will
either have to be an AC/DC interface, or anything using it will have to be
dragged by a diseasel.

It seems very bizarre to have a short section of unelectrified line on an
otherwise electrified system especially when its the obvious place for stock
transfer. Unless for some reason they required complete electrical seperation
between the AC and DC sections.

B2003

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:56 -0000

It seems very bizarre to have a short section of unelectrified line on an
otherwise electrified system especially when its the obvious place for
stock
transfer. Unless for some reason they required complete electrical
seperation
between the AC and DC sections.

According to posts elsewhere a year or two back it is a simplified system
which does achieve electrical separation, and therefore can only be used for
irregular movements, it is not designed for timetabled operation.

The normal means of transfer of stock is via a number of route options in
south London onto the WLL.

Paul

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:56 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:

The right hand line ends in a buffer stop under the bridge from which the
photo was taken. The left hand line continues as the transfer line between
the ELL and the NLL. This is currently OOU, but for it to be used there will
either have to be an AC/DC interface, or anything using it will have to be
dragged by a diseasel.

The line which extends to the west from platform 2 is certainly
not in use. I was lurking along Liverpool Road and looked over
the wall on the west side. There is a piece of wood (an old
sleeper?) tied down across the track by signal NL 1238. I've
seen it before but I don't know when it was put there.
--
Roger