Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

B2003

On 5 Dec, 09:50, wrote:
Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

Last year NSR was the same. SWT continued until there was real snow.
The FGW diesels carried on running to Brighton and Portsmouth
regardless.

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 03:58:47 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:
On 5 Dec, 09:50, wrote:
Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

Last year NSR was the same. SWT continued until there was real snow.
The FGW diesels carried on running to Brighton and Portsmouth
regardless.

NSR?

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.

B2003

On 5 Dec, 12:38, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 03:58:47 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
On 5 Dec, 09:50, wrote:
Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

Last year NSR was the same. *SWT continued until there was real snow.
The FGW diesels carried on running to Brighton and Portsmouth
regardless.

NSR?

New Southern Railway.

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.

Indeed. The Boston "T" carries on thru some of the most inclement
conditions I have ever experienced. If you have never endured a New
England winter, take it from me, you don't want to. Yet, the street
cars and subway lines soldier on. They are all electric.

d wrote:

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.


Because they get those conditions every winter and are completely
geared up to dealing with them?

We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not
geared up for it at all. That applies across most industries and
transport modes, not just rail. Just look at the way the road system
grinds to a halt when it snows, because councils are unable to cope
and most motorists haven't got a clue about choosing the right tyres
for their vehicles.

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:08:18 +0000
Anthony Polson wrote:
wrote:

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.


Because they get those conditions every winter and are completely
geared up to dealing with them?

We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not

Its becoming more common so perhaps we should cope. Anyway , that aside
there's no excuse for 4 lines going down just because of a teeny amount
of snow and a slight frost. Any well run railway should be able to cope with
that.

grinds to a halt when it snows, because councils are unable to cope
and most motorists haven't got a clue about choosing the right tyres
for their vehicles.

There's no point spending a grand on winter tyres and wheels because you'll
just get to the end of your street then get stuck behind 200 cars that don't
have them. For it to work the government needs to make them law as in france
and germany.

B2003

d wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:08:18 +0000
Anthony Polson wrote:
wrote:

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.


Because they get those conditions every winter and are completely
geared up to dealing with them?

We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not

Its becoming more common so perhaps we should cope. Anyway , that aside
there's no excuse for 4 lines going down just because of a teeny amount
of snow and a slight frost. Any well run railway should be able to cope with
that.


You can't draw any conclusion about the probability of regular snow in
the future from a couple of years' worth of data. The last time that
SE England saw regular winter snow was in the days of Network
SouthEast. Snowblowers were purchased by NSE but after delivery we
had no regular snow for about 15 years so they were sent to Scotland
where apparently they have had very little use.


grinds to a halt when it snows, because councils are unable to cope
and most motorists haven't got a clue about choosing the right tyres
for their vehicles.

There's no point spending a grand on winter tyres and wheels because you'll
just get to the end of your street then get stuck behind 200 cars that don't
have them. For it to work the government needs to make them law as in france
and germany.


I agree, they should be a legal requirement. They perform well on any
surface in cold conditions, not just snow. Mine cost me £280 fitted
on a £100 set of used wheels. Total £380.

On 05/12/2012 13:48, d wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:08:18 +0000
Anthony Polson wrote:
d wrote:

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.


Because they get those conditions every winter and are completely
geared up to dealing with them?

We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not

Its becoming more common so perhaps we should cope. Anyway , that aside
there's no excuse for 4 lines going down just because of a teeny amount
of snow and a slight frost. Any well run railway should be able to cope with
that.

grinds to a halt when it snows, because councils are unable to cope
and most motorists haven't got a clue about choosing the right tyres
for their vehicles.

There's no point spending a grand on winter tyres and wheels because you'll
just get to the end of your street then get stuck behind 200 cars that don't
have them. For it to work the government needs to make them law as in france
and germany.

B2003


And to make sure that people who do fit them don't find that their
insurers penalise them for 'modifying' their cars

G

On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 01:48:38PM +0000, d wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:08:18 +0000
Anthony Polson wrote:
We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not
Its becoming more common

And your evidence for this is what?

Sure, we've had snow for the last three (I think) winters, but you'd
expect that to happen occasionally even in a region that hardly ever
gets any snow.

--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

It wouldn't hurt to think like a serial killer every so often.
Purely for purposes of prevention, of course.

On Dec 5, 2:08*pm, Anthony Polson wrote:
wrote:
I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.

Because they get those conditions every winter and are completely
geared up to dealing with them?

Not just that, when the infrastructure was being designed and
installed, it was known that such low temperatures and regular
snowfalls would be a routine part of operations, so design decisions
were taken to accommodate them. This was not the case in the UK. An
example being the use of uncovered top-contact 3rd or 3rd/4th rail.
Fine in warm and/or wet conditions, terrible in snow/ice.

We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not
geared up for it at all. *That applies across most industries and
transport modes, not just rail. *Just look at the way the road system
grinds to a halt when it snows, because councils are unable to cope
and most motorists haven't got a clue about choosing the right tyres
for their vehicles.

The other issue is considering the ballance between the cost of
providing infrastructure to deal with cold and snow against the cost
of everything shutting down when it snows. If it only snows a couple
of days every two or three years, it's cheaper just to declare it a
snow day and stay at home. If there's snow on the ground for 3 months
of the year every year, that isn't an option.

Robin