Clive Page wrote:
On 26/12/2012 22:58, Roland Perry wrote:

Having walked from Platform 1 to the Victoria Line (which is almost
directly below) via that enormously circuitous route, they have
definitely missed a trick in not having a short-cut from the end of
Platform 0/1/2 to the Victoria (and Picc) lines.

You keep missing the point. The design of the KX-St.Pancras complex
isn't anything to do with the railway stations, it's a shopping centre
which just happens to have a few railway stations scattered about the
periphery :-). If they put in all the obvious short-cuts (I'd really
like one connecting St.Pancras low-level to the tube system without going
up two floors then all the way down again) we wouldn't have the lure of
all those retail outlets presented to us, and then we might not spend so
much on their fast food and tat.

But there aren't any "retail opportunities" in the underground labyrinth
connecting the tube tunnels to the barriers.

On 27/12/2012 15:05, Recliner wrote:
But there aren't any "retail opportunities" in the underground labyrinth
connecting the tube tunnels to the barriers.

But there's a vast number connecting the Thameslink platforms and for
that matter the Midland Main Line platforms with the tube system,
whether you choose to go the length of the old St.Pancras station or
across in the King's Cross direction and then down.

--
Clive Page

Clive Page wrote:
On 27/12/2012 15:05, Recliner wrote:
But there aren't any "retail opportunities" in the underground labyrinth
connecting the tube tunnels to the barriers.

But there's a vast number connecting the Thameslink platforms and for
that matter the Midland Main Line platforms with the tube system, whether
you choose to go the length of the old St.Pancras station or across in
the King's Cross direction and then down.

True, but the original complaint had been about the longer routes from the
Picc and Vic platforms to the exits, and those have no shops. As for the
new TL platforms, they actually are quite a long way from the tube
platforms, shops or no shops. And 50% of the human race (ie, women) do
actually like shops and shopping...

In message

, at 17:06:51 on Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Recliner
remarked:
But there aren't any "retail opportunities" in the underground labyrinth
connecting the tube tunnels to the barriers.

But there's a vast number connecting the Thameslink platforms and for
that matter the Midland Main Line platforms with the tube system, whether
you choose to go the length of the old St.Pancras station or across in
the King's Cross direction and then down.

True, but the original complaint had been about the longer routes from the
Picc and Vic platforms to the exits, and those have no shops. As for the
new TL platforms, they actually are quite a long way from the tube
platforms, shops or no shops.

The southern end of the TL platforms are actually very close to the
western end of the Northern Line platforms. And it's only a short
escalator from the eastern end of the Northern Line platforms to the
Piccadilly Line.

And 50% of the human race (ie, women) do actually like shops and
shopping...

Although I'm told that in the Winter the St Pancras shed is so cold that
you wouldn't actually want to linger in it.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at 17:06:51 on Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Recliner remarked:
But there aren't any "retail opportunities" in the underground labyrinth
connecting the tube tunnels to the barriers.

But there's a vast number connecting the Thameslink platforms and for
that matter the Midland Main Line platforms with the tube system, whether
you choose to go the length of the old St.Pancras station or across in
the King's Cross direction and then down.

True, but the original complaint had been about the longer routes from the
Picc and Vic platforms to the exits, and those have no shops. As for the
new TL platforms, they actually are quite a long way from the tube
platforms, shops or no shops.

The southern end of the TL platforms are actually very close to the
western end of the Northern Line platforms. And it's only a short
escalator from the eastern end of the Northern Line platforms to the Piccadilly Line.

And 50% of the human race (ie, women) do actually like shops and shopping...

Although I'm told that in the Winter the St Pancras shed is so cold that
you wouldn't actually want to linger in it.

True on the higher level (a gale blows right through the shed), not so bad
at ground level.

On 28/12/2012 23:06, Recliner wrote:
True, but the original complaint had been about the longer routes from the
Picc and Vic platforms to the exits, and those have no shops.

That bit I really didn't understand, as the original routes from Picc
and Vic platforms to the original tube ticket hall still exist, and I
use them frequently.
As others have pointed out in this thread, you can still use the
original routes to reach King's Cross, and of course St.Pancras.

new TL platforms, they actually are quite a long way from the tube
platforms, shops or no shops. And 50% of the human race (ie, women) do
actually like shops and shopping...

I think you generalise far too much. I know lots of women who do not
like shopping in the over-priced stalls around a railway station, and
especially if they use the station frequently, wouldn't dream of using
any of them more than once in very many visits.

--
Clive Page

In message , at 21:43:14 on Sat, 29
Dec 2012, Clive Page remarked:
True, but the original complaint had been about the longer routes from the
Picc and Vic platforms to the exits, and those have no shops.

That bit I really didn't understand, as the original routes from Picc
and Vic platforms to the original tube ticket hall still exist, and I
use them frequently.

Yes, but you have to know they are there. And no longer do they pass
near to WH Smith, the Whistlestop and the Pub on Platform 8.

As others have pointed out in this thread, you can still use the
original routes to reach King's Cross, and of course St.Pancras.

The St Pancras tunnel is long gone, and if it existed would no longer
exit by the trains on the Midland Mainline (which are now situated
halfway to Kentish Town.

new TL platforms, they actually are quite a long way from the tube
platforms, shops or no shops. And 50% of the human race (ie, women) do
actually like shops and shopping...

I think you generalise far too much. I know lots of women who do not
like shopping in the over-priced stalls around a railway station, and
especially if they use the station frequently, wouldn't dream of using
any of them more than once in very many visits.

Agreed, most of the shops seem to be for tourists, rather than hard
pressed regulars.
--
Roland Perry

Clive Page wrote:

As others have pointed out in this thread, you can still use the
original routes to reach King's Cross, and of course St.Pancras.


Can you? I can't even find them or any signs pointing to them, never
mind actually using them. (In fact, I'm pretty sure the old passages
to St Pancras, and the old escalator into the heart of the old Kings
Cross concourse are all long gone.)

On 30/12/2012 09:47, solar penguin wrote:
Can you? I can't even find them or any signs pointing to them, never
mind actually using them. (In fact, I'm pretty sure the old passages
to St Pancras, and the old escalator into the heart of the old Kings
Cross concourse are all long gone.)

Ah yes, those are, unfortunately. What I meant by "original" was the
routes that you could use say 5 years ago, via the Western Ticket Hall
before the recent upgrades (or downgrades) to the KX-St.Pancras complex.

In message , at 21:47:20 on Sun, 30
Dec 2012, Clive Page remarked:
What I meant by "original" was the routes that you could use say 5
years ago, via the Western Ticket Hall before the recent upgrades (or
downgrades) to the KX-St.Pancras complex.

But the Western Ticket Hall is part of that [up|down]grade.
--
Roland Perry