In article ,
d wrote:
It would be even busier still if TfL hadn't decided it could get a few
extra pieces of silver but having it just brush zone 1 so making it
pointless as a detour to avoid paying the zone 1 fare.

True - but IIRC, that was a decision imposed on TfL by DfT as a condition
of TfL getting the funding to build the line in the first place.

It might also help
if the trains did a bit more than 25 mph everywhere.

Depsite these points, it seems to be quite popular as it is!

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Mike Bristow

On Wed, 1 May 2013 13:15:35 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
It would be even busier still if TfL hadn't decided it could get a few
extra pieces of silver but having it just brush zone 1 so making it
pointless as a detour to avoid paying the zone 1 fare.

True - but IIRC, that was a decision imposed on TfL by DfT as a condition
of TfL getting the funding to build the line in the first place.

Was it? I can't see the rationale behind that. Seems a bit mean spirited.

It might also help
if the trains did a bit more than 25 mph everywhere.

Depsite these points, it seems to be quite popular as it is!

No doubt, but it could be even more popular and take some strain off the
tube. If I had to commute to canary wharf I personally wouldn't bother to use
it. The DLR or Jubilee seem a much better - and direct - option given they
cost the same.

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Spud

On Wed, 01 May 2013 15:50:20 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
needed. If Shoreditch High St had remained in Z2 then it is likely
huge numbers of people would have changed onto the ELL to reach the
City via SHS and Zone 2. If that abstraction had arisen then the DfT
could have been lumbered with the bill for revenue support *or* there
would have been demands from the TOCs for compensation from TfL. That
is how the industry structure works.

Figures. Industry first, passengers second, what a surprise. Still, I suppose
if you're a City bound commuter and you don't mind a walk you can always get
off at Hoxton going south or Whitechapel going north to avoid zone 1.

I agree it is rather leisurely but I think the low running speeds and
padded timetables are how the impressive performance stats are
achieved. If everything was scheduled "on a knife edge" then it would
take almost nothing to cause the service to run late and be delayed.

But it would only be delayed on paper. It would still generally be quicker
in practice. There are quite long stretches where 40mph is easily
achievable with the acceleration of the trains. It seems a bit of a cop out
to run them so slow.

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Spud

On 2013\05\01 15:50, Paul Corfield wrote:

Yes it was. The rationale was to prevent astraction of revenue from
TOCs running into London Bridge and Cannon St where a Z1 ticket is
needed. If Shoreditch High St had remained in Z2 then it is likely
huge numbers of people would have changed onto the ELL to reach the
City via SHS and Zone 2. If that abstraction had arisen then the DfT
could have been lumbered with the bill for revenue support *or* there
would have been demands from the TOCs for compensation from TfL. That
is how the industry structure works.

I don't like the fact that the ELL has been placed on Z1 as it spoils
the Z23 orbital concept but I am pleased we actually got the line
built.

They could make Shoreditch Zone 1 for entering or exiting, but Zone 2
for passing through.

BTW, I still can't believe that they didn't just call that station
"Shoreditch". The walk from the old station to the new one is about the
same as the walk from Angel's old entrance to new one, but they didn't
feel the need to rename Angel. And SHS is not in the High Street anyway.

An average of 200 people per hour boarding trains between 07.00 and 21.00
hours.

Building new railway stations costs a fortune. As George Osborne keep telling
us, we haven't got fortunes to chuck around. Therefore public money should
be spent only on projects which are going to benefit large numbers of people.

The figures given above do not demonstrate that Hoxton Station is well-used.
They show that it is lightly used. Certainly many other stations in London are
also lightly used but they were built many years ago. They are not new builds
as part of a new project.

On 2013-05-01 12:52:55 +0000, d said:

If I had to commute to canary wharf I personally wouldn't bother to use
it. The DLR or Jubilee seem a much better - and direct - option given they
cost the same.

Well, if like my wife you live in Dalston and work in Canary Wharf I
bet you would use it, changing at either Shadwell or Canada Water. It
only takes her about 20 mins to get there. Of course you could opt for
the 277 bus instead - let's have a race.

E.

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

Given the comments from the Public Accounts Committee on Mr Osborne's
"National Infrastructure Plan" and the economy's woeful performance I
doubt Mr O is particularly well qualified to make meaningful remarks
about the real value of public sector investment. All this government
wants to do is destroy the public sector.

Hardly. The size of the pubic sector will still be as large as in 2006 after
the current spending review.

Colin Rosenstiel

On 2013-05-02 06:40:58 +0000, said:

Hardly. The size of the pubic sector will still be as large

Thank goodness for that.

E.

On Wed, 1 May 2013 17:33:57 +0100
eastender wrote:
On 2013-05-01 12:52:55 +0000, d said:

If I had to commute to canary wharf I personally wouldn't bother to use
it. The DLR or Jubilee seem a much better - and direct - option given they
cost the same.

Well, if like my wife you live in Dalston and work in Canary Wharf I
bet you would use it, changing at either Shadwell or Canada Water. It
only takes her about 20 mins to get there. Of course you could opt for
the 277 bus instead - let's have a race.

If your nearest station is on the ELL then sure. But if the ELL is just one
option then I can't see the point. Why for example would anyone travelling
down from finsbury park bother changing onto it at Highbury and be taken all
around the houses and still have to change at canada water when they could just
stay on the victoria line straight to green park then get the jubilee?

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Spud