Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:14:45 on Tue, 27 Aug
2013, Barry Salter remarked:
A Freedom Pass (and 60+ Oyster) is treated as a Season Ticket (albeit a
time-restricted one) for the purposes of Condition 19(c) of the
National Conditions of Carriage,

That's very helpful, thanks.

thus the train does not need to stop at the relevant station as long as
you're travelling on a participating TOC (i.e. all of them except East
Coast, EMT, Grand Central, Heathrow Express, Hull Trains and Virgin).

That list is almost as long as a "what did the Romans do for us" list.

It's basically a list of all the TOCs that don't have any trains stopping
twice within the Zones (HEx being an oddity) and thus get no money for
Freedom Passes.

Neil
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In message

..net, at 07:52:49 on Wed, 28 Aug 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
thus the train does not need to stop at the relevant station as long as
you're travelling on a participating TOC (i.e. all of them except East
Coast, EMT, Grand Central, Heathrow Express, Hull Trains and Virgin).

That list is almost as long as a "what did the Romans do for us" list.

It's basically a list of all the TOCs that don't have any trains stopping
twice within the Zones (HEx being an oddity) and thus get no money for
Freedom Passes.

Watford Junction being just outside Z8 has a lot to answer for. Life
would be simpler, but I presume ToC revenue would be impacted, if it was
in Z8, which is what geographic common sense would dictate.
--
Roland Perry

Thanks much for that.

We can now cite 19c to those awaiting reminders…
And of course the diehard jobsworths.

Ken

On 2013-08-27 16:14:45 +0000, Barry Salter said:

On 21/08/2013 21:15, Peter Smyth wrote:

By a strict reading of the rules, the conductor was correct, a ticket
from Surbiton is only valid on trains that stop at Surbiton, while a
ticket from Boundary Zone 6 woule be valid on any train.

A Freedom Pass (and 60+ Oyster) is treated as a Season Ticket (albeit a
time-restricted one) for the purposes of Condition 19(c) of the
National Conditions of Carriage, thus the train does not need to stop
at the relevant station as long as you're travelling on a participating
TOC (i.e. all of them except East Coast, EMT, Grand Central, Heathrow
Express, Hull Trains and Virgin).

A briefing to this effect went out some time ago, but it appears that
some staff are in need of a reminder...

In message , at 09:32:21 on
Thu, 29 Aug 2013, Paul Corfield remarked:
We can now cite 19c to those awaiting reminders…
And of course the diehard jobsworths.

Here's a link to the Conditions of Carriage

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static...tent/NRCOC.pdf

for your delectation or printing off ;-)

Is there also a list of what tickets qualify as "passes issued on behalf
of a PTE or local authority" and "leisure travel pass".

For example, in what sense is a Freedom Pass not "issued by a LA
belonging to Boris" [or is it simply an exception to the rule]?

And is TfL a PTE.

Are "Rover" and "Britrail" the same set as "leisure travel passes", or
are there other additions/subtractions by way of exceptions?
--
Roland Perry

On Thursday, 29 August 2013 09:43:09 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:32:21 on

Thu, 29 Aug 2013, Paul Corfield remarked:

We can now cite 19c to those awaiting reminders…

And of course the diehard jobsworths.



Here's a link to the Conditions of Carriage



http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static...tent/NRCOC.pdf



for your delectation or printing off ;-)



Is there also a list of what tickets qualify as "passes issued on behalf

of a PTE or local authority" and "leisure travel pass".



For example, in what sense is a Freedom Pass not "issued by a LA

belonging to Boris" [or is it simply an exception to the rule]?



And is TfL a PTE.


TfL is not a PTE.




Are "Rover" and "Britrail" the same set as "leisure travel passes", or

are there other additions/subtractions by way of exceptions?



From the CoC "leisure travel pass...includes rover tickets, travel passes, flexipass tickets and Britrail passes"

Roland Perry

Thanks, Paul

My bedtime reading will never be the same again!

On 2013-08-29 08:32:21 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:01:06 +0100, kenw wrote:

Thanks much for that.

We can now cite 19c to those awaiting reminders

And of course the diehard jobsworths.

Ken

Here's a link to the Conditions of Carriage

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static...tent/NRCOC.pdf

for your delectation or printing off ;-)

On 27/08/2013 17:14, Barry Salter wrote:
On 21/08/2013 21:15, Peter Smyth wrote:

By a strict reading of the rules, the conductor was correct, a ticket
from Surbiton is only valid on trains that stop at Surbiton, while a
ticket from Boundary Zone 6 woule be valid on any train.

A Freedom Pass (and 60+ Oyster) is treated as a Season Ticket (albeit a
time-restricted one) for the purposes of Condition 19(c) of the National
Conditions of Carriage, thus the train does not need to stop at the
relevant station as long as you're travelling on a participating TOC
(i.e. all of them except East Coast, EMT, Grand Central, Heathrow
Express, Hull Trains and Virgin).

A briefing to this effect went out some time ago, but it appears that
some staff are in need of a reminder...

So can I use a BZ6 to Reading extension on an FGW express now? I recall
this being banned in earler times.

Peter Lawrence

Peter Lawrence wrote on 29 August 2013 21:31:23 ...
On 27/08/2013 17:14, Barry Salter wrote:
On 21/08/2013 21:15, Peter Smyth wrote:

By a strict reading of the rules, the conductor was correct, a ticket
from Surbiton is only valid on trains that stop at Surbiton, while a
ticket from Boundary Zone 6 woule be valid on any train.

A Freedom Pass (and 60+ Oyster) is treated as a Season Ticket (albeit a
time-restricted one) for the purposes of Condition 19(c) of the National
Conditions of Carriage, thus the train does not need to stop at the
relevant station as long as you're travelling on a participating TOC
(i.e. all of them except East Coast, EMT, Grand Central, Heathrow
Express, Hull Trains and Virgin).

A briefing to this effect went out some time ago, but it appears that
some staff are in need of a reminder...

So can I use a BZ6 to Reading extension on an FGW express now? I recall
this being banned in earler times.

That was when FGW only ran the express services out of Paddington, with
Thames Trains (later First Great Western Link) running the stopping
services. Since 2006 it's all been one franchise, so BZ6 to X tickets
are now valid on all FGW services.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On 29/08/2013 23:50, Richard J. wrote:
Peter Lawrence wrote on 29 August 2013 21:31:23
...
So can I use a BZ6 to Reading extension on an FGW express now? I recall
this being banned in earler times.

That was when FGW only ran the express services out of Paddington, with
Thames Trains (later First Great Western Link) running the stopping
services. Since 2006 it's all been one franchise, so BZ6 to X tickets
are now valid on all FGW services.

Though FGW like to try and say they're not valid on HST services in the
evening peak.

An Off-Peak Day Single or Return from Boundary Zone 6 to Reading
Stations via Slough carries validity code W1 (Valid by any train except
those timed to depart before 09:30 Mondays to Fridays, excluding Public
Holidays).

An Off-Peak Return, on the other hand, carries Validity Code 5K which
*does* have the list of barred trains in the evening peak. Good innit?

Cheers,

Barry