On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 06:12:28PM +0000, d wrote:

Sadly you're probably right. You just can't make any plans for the w/e
in London anymore.

You might not be able to, but I can. Perhaps your problems would be
solved by taking "adult literacy" classes so that you can read all the
information that is published in advance of tube, bus, rail, and road
closures.

--
David Cantrell | Pope | First Church of the Symmetrical Internet

All children should be aptitude-tested at an early age and,
if their main or only aptitude is for marketing, drowned.

You seem to have misunderstood my post. I've made no complaint about
investing money on maintaining our infrastructure nor have I commented on
the closure of the Northern Line.

I will complain about closing several major roads and causing huge
inconvenience to many merely because the most overrated public figure in
Britain does not know the difference between a city and a theme park.
Complaining about that kind of imbecility does not make one a miserable git. It
proves one is sensible.

Oh, and by the way, no, I was not caught up in it. I learned about it because
Venessa Feltz did an entire programme about it the following day.

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 14:58:01 -0500
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 15:28:35 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 07:14:55 -0500, Recliner
wrote:

I'm assuming Spud is Boltar?

So Bernie the Bolt-ar has metamorphosed into a grumpy Potato? I guess
the style and views are very similar - I just hadn't made the
connection.

Who the **** is Bernie?

Never heard of the Golden Shot?

Vaguely. A bit before my time I'm afraid.

But you are Boltar reincarnated, aren't you?

Yup ;o)

A name change never hurts in this business.

--
Spud

On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 01:26:32 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 16:48:11 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 11:50:12 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
I think we all understand the basis of your and Robin's complaints but
we cannot do anything to change the situation. Both of you need to
vote for the "miserable git and zero investement and repair" candidate
at the next Mayoral Election. That way your journeys won't be
interrupted by events or works but the City will have a nicely
decaying infrastructure and more miserable population and decliing
tourism revenues. Sounds like a plan to me!

The M25 needs regular maintenance and upgrades. When was the last time almost
the entire road was closed for 2 days because of it?

Since when was any underground line directly comparable with a six or
eight lane motorway? If the Victoria (or any other) Line had two or
three tunnels in each direction then I would entirely agree with you.
It doesn't so therefore I don't.

If LU hadn't ripped out so many crossovers they could use wrong way running
with a single train on a number of maintenance/upgrade days. They did, so
therefore they can't.

The entire Northern Line wasn't shut either.

Just the important bits. I can't see many people travelling from edgware
just to get to golders green.


--
Spud

On 2013\09\09 17:41, d wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 14:58:01 -0500
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 15:28:35 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 07:14:55 -0500, Recliner
wrote:

I'm assuming Spud is Boltar?

So Bernie the Bolt-ar has metamorphosed into a grumpy Potato? I guess
the style and views are very similar - I just hadn't made the
connection.

Who the **** is Bernie?

Never heard of the Golden Shot?

Vaguely. A bit before my time I'm afraid.

But you are Boltar reincarnated, aren't you?

Yup ;o)

A name change never hurts in this business.

That depends on whether you've built up a good reputation or a bad one.

On 09/09/2013 16:24, Robin9 wrote:

Paul Corfield;138692 Wrote:

Of course you can make plans. Tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of
people seem to manage every weekend. Yes there are sometimes events
that close down a few roads but they're publicised weeks and weeks in
advance with "klaxon alert" repeats in the days before hand.

If London was treated as a rural market town then there'd be no trains
and very few buses with the shops closed and perhaps a dozy cricket
match going on. That hardly describes the borough I live in never
mind the entire City.

I think we all understand the basis of your and Robin's complaints but
we cannot do anything to change the situation. Both of you need to
vote for the "miserable git and zero investement and repair" candidate
at the next Mayoral Election. That way your journeys won't be
interrupted by events or works but the City will have a nicely
decaying infrastructure and more miserable population and decliing
tourism revenues. Sounds like a plan to me!

You seem to have misunderstood my post. I've made no complaint about
investing money on maintaining our infrastructure nor have I commented
on the closure of the Northern Line.

I will complain about closing several major roads and causing huge
inconvenience to many merely because the most overrated public figure in
Britain does not know the difference between a city and a theme park.
Complaining about that kind of imbecility does not make one a miserable
git. It proves one is sensible.

Oh, and by the way, no, I was not caught up in it. I learned about it
because Venessa Feltz did an entire programme about it the following day.

An awful lot of people really enjoyed that weekend - great fun. One
weekend out of 52.

On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 21:10:02 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 01:26:32 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:

Since when was any underground line directly comparable with a six or
eight lane motorway? If the Victoria (or any other) Line had two or
three tunnels in each direction then I would entirely agree with you.
It doesn't so therefore I don't.

If LU hadn't ripped out so many crossovers they could use wrong way running
with a single train on a number of maintenance/upgrade days. They did, so
therefore they can't.

Eh? I'm clearly missing something here. Which crossovers and, I
assume, reversible signalling has LU ripped out that would otherwise
facilitate your suggestion?

I said single train , therefore reversable signalling not required. As for
crossovers I'm thinking of mornington cresent and moorgate.

Just the important bits. I can't see many people travelling from edgware
just to get to golders green.

Nonetheless the entire line wasn't shut.

No, just the important bit.

--
Spud

In article ,
d wrote:
I said single train , therefore reversable signalling not required. As for
crossovers I'm thinking of mornington cresent and moorgate.

Oh, that's your plan. Can't see it working. For example, suppose
LuL need to work on the track around East Finchley (and lets ignore
the fact that will put the depot out of bounds!). So, you have a
single train shuttle between Finchley Central and Highgate, allowing
work on the other track.

But the TfL journey planner says that journey is 8 minutes long,
so you could realistically depart Finchley Central at xx:00, arrive
Highgate at xx:08, and depart Highgate going north at xx:10, arrive
Finchely Central at xx:18 and depart going south again at xx:20.

So your approach would give you a 3TPH service. And the impact
will occur on two occasions, once while the engineers fiddle
with the s/b track, and once while the fiddle with the n/b.

While there are some parts of the network that could survive on a
3TPH service, I don't think that any of it is in zone 1.

--
Mike Bristow

I concede a lot of really awful people enjoyed that weekend. The number of
people who did not appreciate what was being done is possibly far higher.

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:22:38 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote:
So your approach would give you a 3TPH service. And the impact
will occur on two occasions, once while the engineers fiddle
with the s/b track, and once while the fiddle with the n/b.

While there are some parts of the network that could survive on a
3TPH service, I don't think that any of it is in zone 1.

Right, because a 0 TPH service is a so much a better solution.

--
Spud