In message , at
12:02:55 on Sat, 16 Nov 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Couldn't they just issue free tickets for use between the terminals
that are only available at the terminals? Perhaps only valid for half
an hour or something.

Which would be used as free ways around paying the extra! Didn't get
on at Heathrow mate!

Difficult if only issued airside.

I don't see why Oyster should have any problems with a higher non zonal
fare, in any case. It manages Watford Junction OK, which is in exactly
that situation,

I think they are about to (or maybe have) run out of "extra Zones" that
the Oyster system can cope with. Not 640k RAM, or 4 billion IPv4
addresses this time, but "only ?16 zones".
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In message , at 12:23:35 on
Sat, 16 Nov 2013, Recliner remarked:

HEx is only intended as a replacement for taxis (ie for people who had
it not existed would have taken a taxi), it's not in competition with
any other rail-based modes.

The official Heathrow touts work very hard to push people towards HEx,
so Heathrow Airport Ltd certainly seems to feel that it's in
competition with Heathrow Connect and the Tube.

A small amount of mission creep perhaps, but the people taking up that
offer are probably unaware of the existence of either HC or the tube.
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Roland Perry

In message , at
13:56:57 on Sat, 16 Nov 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
At least in most other countries transport touts are not officially
condoned by the airport and are kept out of the way.

I'm struggling to think of many International airports I've visited that
weren't infested with taxi touts.
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Roland Perry

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:01:17 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Are landside buses allowed to use the airside tunnel?

Don't think so.

Neil

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:06:12 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Difficult if only issued airside.

Collect one airside. Buy Travelcard from Tube ticket office. Sneak
through barriers using free ticket. Use Travelcard from Hayes.

Not hard.

Neil

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On 16/11/2013 13:56, Neil Williams wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:24:37 -0600, wrote:
Precisely. They exploit ignorance for their private profit. Ugly.

And a tourist tax, as their ticket office won't issue prebooked pick ups
nor through tickets. As they operate on Network Rail metals this should
IMO have been forced on them.
And yes, the HEx touts hack me off. At least in most other countries
transport touts are not officially condoned by the airport and are kept
out of the way.
Neil

I thought a big chunk of the HEx route wasn't owned by Network Rail?

In message , at
14:21:02 on Sat, 16 Nov 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Difficult if only issued airside.

Collect one airside. Buy Travelcard from Tube ticket office. Sneak
through barriers using free ticket. Use Travelcard from Hayes.
Not hard.

But not likely to be used enough to be a worry. A ticket check on
leaving Heathrow would catch a lot of the offenders.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 14:26:10 on Sat, 16 Nov
2013, Someone Somewhere remarked:
I thought a big chunk of the HEx route wasn't owned by Network Rail?

Currently the bit from Airport Junction to the airport is owned by the
airport (not surprising since they paid for it to be built, something
British Rail and successors failed to do). That'll be why the rules for
Heathrow Connect fares have a discontinuity at Hayes.
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Roland Perry

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:29:25 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
But not likely to be used enough to be a worry. A ticket check on
leaving Heathrow would catch a lot of the offenders.

True. But then no need for any barriers.

Neil

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:26:10 +0000, Someone Somewhere
wrote:
I thought a big chunk of the HEx route wasn't owned by Network Rail?

It isn't. But it should have been a case of "you aren't getting past
Hayes unless you join ATOC and play nicely", IMO.

Neil

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