On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 13:29:41 -0000
"Peter Masson" wrote:
Until the 1990s, when the site was required for building Waterloo
International, access to the W&C was via a hoist in Waterloo Yard. W&C stock
could be brought to the surface using the hoist, and AIUI worked under its
own power to Wimbledon Depot for overhaul. The W&C originally had its own
power station, and coal trucks used the hoist to provide power. In 1948 the
lift descended while some trucks were being shunted on to it, and 4 coal
trucks and a loco landed at the bottom of the shaft.

Did they have a coal fired boiler underground?? If not why would they send
coal trucks and a loco down there?

--
Spud

On 10/12/2013 09:28, d wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 13:29:41 -0000
"Peter Masson" wrote:
Until the 1990s, when the site was required for building Waterloo
International, access to the W&C was via a hoist in Waterloo Yard. W&C stock
could be brought to the surface using the hoist, and AIUI worked under its
own power to Wimbledon Depot for overhaul. The W&C originally had its own
power station, and coal trucks used the hoist to provide power. In 1948 the
lift descended while some trucks were being shunted on to it, and 4 coal
trucks and a loco landed at the bottom of the shaft.

Did they have a coal fired boiler underground??

Yes

If not why would they send
coal trucks and a loco down there?


The loco wasn't supposed to go down.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On 10/12/2013 15:04, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:02:57 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 10/12/2013 09:28, d wrote:
access to the W&C was via a hoist in Waterloo Yard. W&C stock
could be brought to the surface using the hoist, and AIUI worked under its
own power to Wimbledon Depot for overhaul. The W&C originally had its own
power station, and coal trucks used the hoist to provide power. In 1948 the
lift descended while some trucks were being shunted on to it, and 4 coal
trucks and a loco landed at the bottom of the shaft.

Did they have a coal fired boiler underground??

Yes

If not why would they send
coal trucks and a loco down there?


The loco wasn't supposed to go down.
The steam ones weren't.

Reverting to the original, wasn't it an M7 that did the diving act?



--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On 10/12/2013 16:23, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:14:05 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 10/12/2013 15:04, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:02:57 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 10/12/2013 09:28, d wrote:
access to the W&C was via a hoist in Waterloo Yard. W&C stock
could be brought to the surface using the hoist, and AIUI worked under its
own power to Wimbledon Depot for overhaul. The W&C originally had its own
power station, and coal trucks used the hoist to provide power. In 1948 the
lift descended while some trucks were being shunted on to it, and 4 coal
trucks and a loco landed at the bottom of the shaft.

Did they have a coal fired boiler underground??

Yes

If not why would they send
coal trucks and a loco down there?


The loco wasn't supposed to go down.
The steam ones weren't.

Reverting to the original, wasn't it an M7 that did the diving act?

I believe it was , cutting up on site was the most practical means of
removing it. I wonder how the crew got on? being trapped in a lift pit
with steam and smoke everywhere doesn't sound a nice place to be.

Especially having been bounced around the cab on the way down!

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

In article ,
(Peter Masson) wrote:

Spud wrote

Well, I was being a bit tongue in cheek. But I suspect if the line had
been run by the underground since its inception rather than BR until the
90s then probably a single line connection would have been built by now
to transfer stock instead of having the faff of craning them in and out
when any heavy overhauls are required.

Until the 1990s, when the site was required for building Waterloo
International, access to the W&C was via a hoist in Waterloo Yard.
W&C stock could be brought to the surface using the hoist, and AIUI
worked under its own power to Wimbledon Depot for overhaul. The W&C
originally had its own power station, and coal trucks used the hoist
to provide power. In 1948 the lift descended while some trucks were
being shunted on to it, and 4 coal trucks and a loco landed at the
bottom of the shaft.

Cars had to have their coupling hoses removed to use the hoist because it
was a bit short.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 10:19:12 on Mon, 9 Dec
2013, d remarked:
aiui the trains are no longer interoperable, even if once upon a time
they were delivered from the same production line.

What are the major differences now (other than the interior decor)?

aiui, Central has a degree of automatic operation, and a higher 4th
rail.

Depends which you think is the fourth rail. The outside (positive) rail is
the higher one and that is commonly the third.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:56:36 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
(Peter Masson) wrote:

Spud wrote

Well, I was being a bit tongue in cheek. But I suspect if the line had
been run by the underground since its inception rather than BR until the
90s then probably a single line connection would have been built by now
to transfer stock instead of having the faff of craning them in and out
when any heavy overhauls are required.

Until the 1990s, when the site was required for building Waterloo
International, access to the W&C was via a hoist in Waterloo Yard.
W&C stock could be brought to the surface using the hoist, and AIUI
worked under its own power to Wimbledon Depot for overhaul. The W&C
originally had its own power station, and coal trucks used the hoist
to provide power. In 1948 the lift descended while some trucks were
being shunted on to it, and 4 coal trucks and a loco landed at the
bottom of the shaft.

Cars had to have their coupling hoses removed to use the hoist because it
was a bit short.

Why arn't I surprised. Everything in this country has to be just that bit
too small whether its houses, trains or roads. It must be something in the
subconcious.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:56:36 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
(Peter Masson) wrote:

Spud wrote

Well, I was being a bit tongue in cheek. But I suspect if the line had
been run by the underground since its inception rather than BR until the
90s then probably a single line connection would have been built by now
to transfer stock instead of having the faff of craning them in and out
when any heavy overhauls are required.

Until the 1990s, when the site was required for building Waterloo
International, access to the W&C was via a hoist in Waterloo Yard.
W&C stock could be brought to the surface using the hoist, and AIUI
worked under its own power to Wimbledon Depot for overhaul. The W&C
originally had its own power station, and coal trucks used the hoist
to provide power. In 1948 the lift descended while some trucks were
being shunted on to it, and 4 coal trucks and a loco landed at the
bottom of the shaft.

Cars had to have their coupling hoses removed to use the hoist because it
was a bit short.

Why arn't I surprised. Everything in this country has to be just that bit
too small whether its houses, trains or roads. It must be something in the
subconcious.

Including your school English lessons, too?

G Harman wrote

I believe it was , cutting up on site was the most practical means of
removing it. I wonder how the crew got on? being trapped in a lift pit
with steam and smoke everywhere doesn't sound a nice place to be.

The driver and fireman managed to jump out before the loco followed the
trucks into the lift shaft - very fortunately, as the loco ended up upside
down on top of the wrecked trucks.

Peter

On 10/12/2013 16:38, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 10/12/2013 16:23, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:14:05 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 10/12/2013 15:04, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:02:57 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 10/12/2013 09:28, d wrote:
access to the W&C was via a hoist in Waterloo Yard. W&C stock
could be brought to the surface using the hoist, and AIUI worked
under its
own power to Wimbledon Depot for overhaul. The W&C originally had
its own
power station, and coal trucks used the hoist to provide power.
In 1948 the
lift descended while some trucks were being shunted on to it, and
4 coal
trucks and a loco landed at the bottom of the shaft.

Did they have a coal fired boiler underground??

Yes

If not why would they send
coal trucks and a loco down there?


The loco wasn't supposed to go down.
The steam ones weren't.

Reverting to the original, wasn't it an M7 that did the diving act?

I believe it was , cutting up on site was the most practical means of
removing it. I wonder how the crew got on? being trapped in a lift pit
with steam and smoke everywhere doesn't sound a nice place to be.

Especially having been bounced around the cab on the way down!

I believe they were able to jump off in time.



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