On 22/11/2013 10:07, wrote:

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:08 +0000, Scott
wrote:
I take it Oyster cards will still be available at retail outlets; also
the ability to add value to them. Will visitors and others you be
able to buy an Oyster card at NR main termini, either a the (NR)
ticket office or at a shop there, and at Heathrow etc?

You can now do both of these at ticket machines.

You can only add less than £5 to Oyster at a ticket stop. I don't use the
tube enough to add that much at a time.

It would still be there for when you next want to use it Colin, as you
well know.

Anyhow, you can add less than £5 at Tube ticket machines, ditto for NR
ticket machines that do Oyster top ups.

On 22/11/2013 06:54, Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:51:38 +0000, Mizter T wrote:
The reason why I said that is because contactless cards are still
somewhat new on the scene, and there are still many with a
(standard) UK bank account who don't have them yet. If the 'close the
Tube ticket offices' plan is predicated on widespread CPC usage, then
holding a CPC also needs to be widespread. That said, the picture
will inevitably change over the next year and a half.

Cards typically have a 3 year expiry, so I would expect after 3 years
near enough all cards to be so equipped.

I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't
necessarily issue them to every category of customer.

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:59:44 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
I think it's about 15 years after its time. City transport networks
need simple, automated ticketing. Ticket offices are for the mainline
- and TBH I see a reduced need for them there as well - better to
have them out showing how to use the machine next time.

I generally agree with you but there are lots of tickets that can
currently only be bought from a ticket office. As an example can I get
a £2 travelcard for a child travelling with me while I use my Gold Card
from any machines?

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On 21/11/2013 19:11, tim...... wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

On 21/11/2013 18:58, tim...... wrote:
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and how am I going to get the journey history from my Oyster to use as
a
receipt?

Print it off from the journey history section of the (yet to be
unleashed) TfL online account associated with your contactless payment
card (the CPC equivalent of the Oyster online account).

And no, I don't know how that's going to be implemented, but that's
part of TfL's CPC plan.

I don't have a contactless bank card, the bank have yet to send me one


And the ticket offices have yet to (all) close.

Even without a CPC, what I've said above applies to Oyster.

I have previously explained (in an earlier thread) why I can't get an online
receipt from my Oyster

(Yes, I could get a new Oyster)

tim

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In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:17:20 -0600,
wrote:
Are they going to introduce Oyster history printing facilities at
ticket
machines then? That can only be obtained from ticket offices now.

Which is another trick missed with Oyster - such services should have
been machine only from day one.

I agree. You can see the details on screen but not get a permanent record.
The ticket office printers also fade pretty quickly so are far from
permanent.

Will the machine printed ones last any longer?

tim

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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:11:38 +0000, Mizter T wrote:
Blimey - I knew fewer ticket offices is the general direction of
things,
but wasn't expecting quite such a radical proposal. The pill is of course
sweetened by the plan for 24hr running on some Tube lines,
which
in its own right is most welcome.

I don't think the Tube needs ticket offices, rather it needs staff on the
floor helping with things. German systems are often near enough completely
unstaffed. So I broadly support the idea.

(as well as the in station options) German (/Italian/Belgium/Dutch/Spanish)
systems normally work on the basis of there being a prepaid "carnet" or
strip ticket (or smart card), which you buy from manned newsagents (etc), so
the comparison is entirely false, IMHO.

tim




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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:22:08PM +0000, Recliner wrote:

But the weekend running is more unexpected. And, as the
article also mentions, that means some stations will need to be manned
24 hours a day over the weekend. Will the unions tolerate
single-manned stations at 3am in south or east London?

I don't see that south or east London are any different in this regard
from north or west London.

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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:58:31 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:
and how am I going to get the journey history from my Oyster to use
as a
receipt?

From a ticket machine

can you do this?

I've not actually looked since I started to need a receipt

or online.

AIUI only available with registered cards, which mine is not (and now never
will be)

tim


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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:11:38PM +0000, Mizter T wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25025888

Blimey - I knew fewer ticket offices is the general direction of things,
but wasn't expecting quite such a radical proposal. The pill is of
course sweetened by the plan for 24hr running on some Tube lines, which
in its own right is most welcome.

I wonder how they're going to cope with Oyster problems - the only thing
I use a tube ticket office for these days. eg, sorting out things like
"This card has stopped working, please give me a new one and transfer my
balance". And of course "I don't want this card any more, give me back
the balance and my deposit please"

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:50:17 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:
(as well as the in station options) German
(/Italian/Belgium/Dutch/Spanish)
systems normally work on the basis of there being a prepaid
"carnet" or
strip ticket (or smart card), which you buy from manned newsagents
(etc), so
the comparison is entirely false, IMHO.

You mean like, say, Oyster?

Hamburg doesn't and never has had, btw. It has a fare structure very
similar to London.

Neil

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