In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:50:17 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:
(as well as the in station options) German
(/Italian/Belgium/Dutch/Spanish)
systems normally work on the basis of there being a prepaid "carnet" or
strip ticket (or smart card), which you buy from manned newsagents
(etc), so the comparison is entirely false, IMHO.

You mean like, say, Oyster?

or Ticket Stops?

Hamburg doesn't and never has had, btw. It has a fare structure very
similar to London.

Except for the scale of the system, surely?

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Colin Rosenstiel

"Neil Williams" wrote

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 Mizter T wrote:

I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't
necessarily issue them to every category of customer.

People said that of Chip and Pin.


The banks still issue signature cards, eg to disabled clients who request
them.

And of course there are the foreigners.

I noticed that supermarket self-checkouts allow for the possibility.


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Mike D

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 Mizter T wrote:

I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they won't
necessarily issue them to every category of customer.

People said that of Chip and Pin.


The banks still issue signature cards, eg to disabled clients who request them.

And of course there are the foreigners.

I noticed that supermarket self-checkouts allow for the possibility.

Yes, including when they can't read a chip and pin card. Swiping and
signing is nearly always an option at most card readers.

"Roland Perry" wrote

Here's an article about that actually mentions use on London Underground
(so perhaps that answers my earlier question, unless the author means
buying tickets from a machine):

http://bankinnovation.net/2011/03/travelex-chips-away-at-us-payment-habits/

date 2011 so probably.

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Mike D

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 22/11/2013 15:10, wrote:

In article , (Mizter T)
wrote:
[...]
You can only add less than £5 to Oyster at a ticket stop. I don't use
the tube enough to add that much at a time.

It would still be there for when you next want to use it Colin, as
you well know.

It could be in a year's time as my wife found out.

I don't know what happened with your wife, but the money stays on the
card.

She only found out a year later she's been diddled nearly a tenner. Wouldn't
have been possible if her credit was limited to what she needed for her
trip. All this sloppy "add a tenner" helps TfL get away with ripping people
off for their faulty hardware as happened to her. I also object making
interest free loans to TfL for months at a time.

Anyhow, you can add less than £5 at Tube ticket machines, ditto for
NR ticket machines that do Oyster top ups.

Only with exact change. Sorry, I meant to add that.

True - though for NR (and LO) ticket machines, one can choose an
amount and receive change.

Ah! Have never topped up at such machines so didn't realise that.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:10:11 -0600,
wrote:
It could be in a year's time as my wife found out.

Presently Oyster cards do not time out.

Not the point. See my other post. The tactic of encouraging people t top up
more than they need at the time helps TfL rip people off.

Only with exact change. Sorry, I meant to add that.

That is not how it is intended to be used, and if you want to hit the
system with the high administration costs of doing that, buy a paper
ticket and contribute to them by way of the higher fee.

I go to a Ticket Stop.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article
,
(Recliner) wrote:

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 Mizter T wrote:

I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they
won't necessarily issue them to every category of customer.

People said that of Chip and Pin.

The banks still issue signature cards, eg to disabled clients who
request them.

And of course there are the foreigners.

I noticed that supermarket self-checkouts allow for the possibility.

Yes, including when they can't read a chip and pin card. Swiping and
signing is nearly always an option at most card readers.

Can't do anything but Chip and PIN on most railway ticket machines I've come
across.

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:11:09 -0600,
wrote:
Except for the scale of the system, surely?

Much lower loadings, but it is quite a large city, and unlike many
European systems it does not operate flat fares, though the zones are
larger than London.

Neil

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Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply.

In message , at 23:47:07 on Fri, 22
Nov 2013, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:
I'm not sure all banks are issuing them, and even if they do they
won't necessarily issue them to every category of customer.

People said that of Chip and Pin.

The banks still issue signature cards, eg to disabled clients who
request them.

The only time I tried they refused point blank. But then I didn't have a
reason other than "I'd like to have at least one non C&P card".

And of course there are the foreigners.

I noticed that supermarket self-checkouts allow for the possibility.

That's so they can continue to trade if the POS system is down.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 00:01:05 on Sat, 23
Nov 2013, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:
Here's an article about that actually mentions use on London
Underground
(so perhaps that answers my earlier question, unless the author means
buying tickets from a machine):

http://bankinnovation.net/2011/03/travelex-chips-away-at-us-payment-habits/

date 2011 so probably.

Well spotted. But no doubt such cards with contactless technology in
them would be useful to tourists visiting London (if TfL can get over
the Electron/Solo effect).
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Roland Perry