On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:55:37 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
Roland Perry wrote on 20 December 2013 22:16:19 ...
Not the first I think (previous one was perhaps 7-8 years ago not that
far away in south London).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221

The previous tree bash that I remember was in Tower Bridge Road in 2008,
when a passing pedestrian was killed by a falling branch. In that case,
the tree was leaning over the carriageway, and there were concerns about
similar leaning trees all over London.

This latest crash looks quite different. Reports say that the bus
swerved to avoid a car. It then ran off the road and collided head-on
with the tree. As far as I can see the whole width of the trunk ended
up inside the bus.

Sadly I'm not surprised this bus driver lost control. I've been using buses 2
or 3 times a week for the last few months and the standard of bus driving
varies from ok to bloody appalling and with most drivers not giving a flying
**** whether people are still climbing the stairs as they floor the throttle
and swerve off into the road.

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Spud

The amount of damage is quite appalling, it would be interesting to see how fast the bus was going at the moment of impact. But then, buses don't exactly have crumple zones.

Neill

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:27:51 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of the
blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to drive into
a tree instead.

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Spud

In message , at 15:41:03 on Sun, 22 Dec
2013, d remarked:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of the
blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to drive into
a tree instead.

If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

(Low bridges are an entirely different matter).
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 15:41:03 on Sun, 22
Dec 2013, d remarked:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of
the blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to
drive into a tree instead.

If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

(Low bridges are an entirely different matter).

I think you are wrong there. He was certainly heading off the road to hit
the tree in that manner.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 14:41:36
on Sun, 22 Dec 2013, remarked:
If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

(Low bridges are an entirely different matter).

I think you are wrong there. He was certainly heading off the road to hit
the tree in that manner.

The picture I posted shows him pretty much parallel to the kerb, I'd
have thought.

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...ATES/s2197/Mai
n-Bus-Crash-2946066.jpg
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 14:41:36
on Sun, 22 Dec 2013, remarked:
If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

(Low bridges are an entirely different matter).

I think you are wrong there. He was certainly heading off the road to hit
the tree in that manner.

The picture I posted shows him pretty much parallel to the kerb, I'd
have thought.


http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...s2197/Main-Bus
-Crash-2946066.jpg

OK. That's a different view from the one I saw earlier.

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:07:02 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:41:03 on Sun, 22 Dec
2013, d remarked:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of the
blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to drive into
a tree instead.

If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

Eh? If a tree has a low branch overhanging the road that a bus could hit then
fair enough, but this tree is clearly on the pavement and its not exactly
small. Unless he's clinically blind there is no way he couldn't have seen it.

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Spud

In message , at 10:10:56 on Tue, 24 Dec
2013, d remarked:
If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

Eh? If a tree has a low branch overhanging the road that a bus could hit then
fair enough, but this tree is clearly on the pavement and its not exactly
small. Unless he's clinically blind there is no way he couldn't have seen it.

In this picture, is the bus on the pavement?

http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/others/i...s/default.aspx

I'm assuming the kerb next to the bus aligns with that white line just
beyond the two hi-viz in the foreground, and not out where the police
van is parked. Although there does seem to be perhaps the end of a
lay-by directly in front of the bus.
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Roland Perry

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:35:10 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:10:56 on Tue, 24 Dec
2013, d remarked:
If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

Eh? If a tree has a low branch overhanging the road that a bus could hit then
fair enough, but this tree is clearly on the pavement and its not exactly
small. Unless he's clinically blind there is no way he couldn't have seen it.

In this picture, is the bus on the pavement?

http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/others/i...s/default.aspx

No idea, but IP6 is certainly a car crash. Albeit in slow motion.

Always check your cut and pastes before posting! )

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Spud