On 03/01/2014 10:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:13:42
on Thu, 2 Jan 2014, remarked:
If TfL are expecting your average foreign tourist to start paying for
tickets using "pay wave" credit cards I think that they are tilting
at windmills

You only have to look at the number of suitably "qualified"
individuals who don't go through the self service passport check (at
no risk and sometimes considerable time cost) to see how "frightened"
the average person is of such technology

Also built-in problems for families travelling:

"Like Oyster, you can only pay for one person per journey with a
contactless payment card; if you are travelling in a group, each
person will have to use a separate contactless payment card or
other method of payment."

However, they have either withdrawn the restriction on using foreign or
prepay cards (and many tourists will have foreign prepay cards) or
they've just stopped mentioning it.

Now maybe but the use of such cards will grow over time.

Have they met the deadline set when first introduced [Dec 2012]:
her
"From the end of 2013, contactless payment cards will be accepted on the
Tube, Docklands Light Railway, London Overground and trams."

I'm not looking forward to that because it would seem it obsoletes my
"Onepulse Barclay/Oyster" - the system charges neither rather than one
or both, apparently. Will they be sending me an automatic refund for the
stored amount?

I thought that they were doing a pilot scheme first, before it came into
service on other forms of transport, besides the bus.

Will they allow capping now?

On 04/01/2014 13:38, wrote:
[snip]
I thought that they were doing a pilot scheme first, before it came into
service on other forms of transport, besides the bus.

Will they allow capping now?

Capping is indeed part of the plan (the mechanics of it are different,
as it's calculated on the central database at the end of the day, whilst
Oyster capping is calculated on the card as you travel throughout the
day - the result should be the same though).

There is indeed a pilot running:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/28751.aspx

In message , at 13:38:52 on Sat, 4 Jan 2014,
" remarked:

Have they met the deadline set when first introduced [Dec 2012]:
"From the end of 2013, contactless payment cards will be accepted on the
Tube, Docklands Light Railway, London Overground and trams."

I'm not looking forward to that because it would seem it obsoletes my
"Onepulse Barclay/Oyster" - the system charges neither rather than one
or both, apparently. Will they be sending me an automatic refund for the
stored amount?

I thought that they were doing a pilot scheme first, before it came
into service on other forms of transport, besides the bus.

Indeed, and when the bus-only pilot was announced in Dec 2012 (as quoted
from above) the wider roll-out was said to be 'from the end of 2013'.

Will they allow capping now?

I presume so, but if anyone has any more recent announcements than Dec
2012 to base that upon, I'd be happy to see them.

--
Roland Perry

On 04/01/2014 13:46, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 13:38:52 on Sat, 4 Jan 2014,
" remarked:

I thought that they were doing a pilot scheme first, before it came
into service on other forms of transport, besides the bus.

Indeed, and when the bus-only pilot was announced in Dec 2012 (as quoted
from above) the wider roll-out was said to be 'from the end of 2013'.

It's got delayed. Better that than rolling it out broken.


Will they allow capping now?

I presume so, but if anyone has any more recent announcements than Dec
2012 to base that upon, I'd be happy to see them.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/19976.aspx

"early 2014"

In message , at 14:02:16 on Sat, 4 Jan 2014,
Mizter T remarked:
I thought that they were doing a pilot scheme first, before it came
into service on other forms of transport, besides the bus.

Indeed, and when the bus-only pilot was announced in Dec 2012 (as quoted
from above) the wider roll-out was said to be 'from the end of 2013'.

It's got delayed. Better that than rolling it out broken.


Will they allow capping now?

I presume so, but if anyone has any more recent announcements than Dec
2012 to base that upon, I'd be happy to see them.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/19976.aspx

"early 2014"

Thanks for the link. So it's slipped from "everyone late 2013" to "a
small pilot early 2014". Just checking!
--
Roland Perry

On 04/01/2014 14:17, Roland Perry wrote:

I presume so, but if anyone has any more recent announcements than Dec
2012 to base that upon, I'd be happy to see them.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/19976.aspx

"early 2014"

Thanks for the link. So it's slipped from "everyone late 2013" to "a
small pilot early 2014". Just checking!

No. "Early 2014" is the full rollout.

The pilot started in December, and it doesn't seem like a "small pilot"
to me:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/28751.aspx

Feel free to misrepresent things though.

In message , at 14:39:40 on Sat, 4 Jan 2014,
Mizter T remarked:
The pilot started in December, and it doesn't seem like a "small pilot"
to me:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/28751.aspx

Unhelpfully, there's no date on that announcement (and yes, it does seem
to be a small pilot as someone is hand-checking whether the applicants
use their Oyster enough already).

But if we can *all* use contactless from "early 2014", then I look
forward to an announcement (undated or otherwise) letting us know from
when!

At least it's "early 2014", rather than "early Spring" which is
undoubtedly later.
--
Roland Perry

On 04/01/2014 14:48, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:39:40 on Sat, 4 Jan 2014,
Mizter T remarked:
The pilot started in December, and it doesn't seem like a "small
pilot" to me:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/28751.aspx

Unhelpfully, there's no date on that announcement (and yes, it does seem
to be a small pilot as someone is hand-checking whether the applicants
use their Oyster enough already).

Paul C posted about it here on utl on 22 November - thread subject is
"Take part in TfL's trial of contactless bank cards on rail modes":

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/uk.transport.london/TPI6o0Pq2sY/OBztk4vCg5kJ

The pilot is being prominently promoted on the front page of TfL's website:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/

But I'll take your word on it that it's a small pilot.


But if we can *all* use contactless from "early 2014", then I look
forward to an announcement (undated or otherwise) letting us know from
when!

At least it's "early 2014", rather than "early Spring" which is
undoubtedly later.

Well, if one splits a year up into three equal chunks of early, middle
and late, then I guess it could be any time in the first four months.