"Someone Somewhere" wrote in message ...

On 05/02/2014 23:33, wrote:
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(Recliner) wrote:

wrote:
In article
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(Recliner) wrote:


I think it's something like 3% of passengers now using the ticket
offices,
so most really are pretty much redundant (and closed most of the day
anyway, outside the centre). But the unions also don't like the fact that
many of the quieter stations will become single-manned, with a mobile
supervisor covering half a dozen stations.

How does Overground operate? I can think of some of their stations where
that might be an issue already.

Returning to the 3% figure - I don't even believe that. Is that really
3% of all journeys on the Underground involve a visit to a ticket
office? Not just a ticket machine?

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Not all of these 3% will be buying single tickets

some will be topping up an oyster card or getting a season ticket put on it

not everyone likes doing this at the machines/online

tim

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
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On 05/02/2014 18:00, tim..... wrote:

Who the flip queues up to buy a ticket at 10pm?

People wanting something obscure for travel at a future time, who are
getting it while they happen to pass.

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would you get on the end of a 100 person long queue to do this?

(yes, the queue really is that long some weeks)

tim

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
07:10:42 on Thu, 6 Feb 2014, remarked:
My daughter has a 16-25 card loaded on her Oyster, but there's also a
"18+ Student Oyster" (not very useful for someone living in Z2). It
might be simpler for TfL to require *National Rail* to issue some
16-25 Railcards on a newly invented "16-25 Oyster" (rather than a bit
of card).

More fuss for travellers (because the issuing facilities might be
restricted to the London area), but a typical "two steps forward, one
step back" process 'it were the technology wot made us do it'.

Wouldn't that violate the agreements for the use of Oyster on National
Rail?

"Use of" an Oyster is separate from the arrangements for issuing them.

You misunderstand, not for the first time. In order to get TOCs to accept
Oyster they had to agree to give railcard discounts on them.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:07:21 -0600, wrote:
How are they going to deal with registering railcards on Oyster cards
then? And the rest of Paul's list?

A combination of online, post and phone. Or perhaps NR ticket offices
or the remaining gateway offices. No need to have this facility at
every station.

So I arrive from Kings Cross (infinite ticket queues) and travel to
Westminster. It's the first time I've used Oyster since before last October
when I renewed my railcard. I realise when I touch out that I have forgotten
to register the new railcard on the Oyster. Now i go to the ticket office at
Westminster and cut it fine getting to my meeting. What happens in future?

Railcards are appallingly handled on Oyster anyway. You can only find out if
one is registered by going to a ticket office, for some weird reason.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 20:44:09
on Thu, 6 Feb 2014, remarked:

So I arrive from Kings Cross (infinite ticket queues) and travel to
Westminster. It's the first time I've used Oyster since before last October
when I renewed my railcard. I realise when I touch out that I have forgotten
to register the new railcard on the Oyster. Now i go to the ticket office at
Westminster and cut it fine getting to my meeting. What happens in future?

speculation

You send off the Oyster and Railcard to whatever mail order operation
does the "loading", in plenty of time. Or possibly, you get issued the
Railcard, when next renewed. on a photo-Oyster blank (similar to several
other concessionary Oysters), which can only be done either by mail
order or at National Rail station in Central London.

If you think that's all a bit of a faff. I have news for you - TfL
doesn't care. Look at the procedure for getting an 18+ Student Oyster if
you don't believe me.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 20:44:09
on Thu, 6 Feb 2014, remarked:
My daughter has a 16-25 card loaded on her Oyster, but there's also a
"18+ Student Oyster" (not very useful for someone living in Z2). It
might be simpler for TfL to require *National Rail* to issue some
16-25 Railcards on a newly invented "16-25 Oyster" (rather than a bit
of card).

More fuss for travellers (because the issuing facilities might be
restricted to the London area), but a typical "two steps forward, one
step back" process 'it were the technology wot made us do it'.

Wouldn't that violate the agreements for the use of Oyster on National
Rail?

"Use of" an Oyster is separate from the arrangements for issuing them.

You misunderstand, not for the first time.

You've got the wrong end of the stick, not for the first time.

In order to get TOCs to accept
Oyster they had to agree to give railcard discounts on them.

I'm not suggesting the TOCs stop giving Railcard discounts.

My speculation above is about the process of *issuing* a relevant Oyster
with the Railcard 'loaded' onto it. They have to do that before you
start making any discounted journeys.

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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
20:44:09 on Thu, 6 Feb 2014, remarked:
My daughter has a 16-25 card loaded on her Oyster, but there's also
a "18+ Student Oyster" (not very useful for someone living in Z2).
It might be simpler for TfL to require *National Rail* to issue
some 16-25 Railcards on a newly invented "16-25 Oyster" (rather than
a bit of card).

More fuss for travellers (because the issuing facilities might be
restricted to the London area), but a typical "two steps forward,
one step back" process 'it were the technology wot made us do it'.

Wouldn't that violate the agreements for the use of Oyster on National
Rail?

"Use of" an Oyster is separate from the arrangements for issuing them.

You misunderstand, not for the first time.

You've got the wrong end of the stick, not for the first time.

In order to get TOCs to accept
Oyster they had to agree to give railcard discounts on them.

I'm not suggesting the TOCs stop giving Railcard discounts.

My speculation above is about the process of *issuing* a relevant
Oyster with the Railcard 'loaded' onto it. They have to do that
before you start making any discounted journeys.

My head is hurting too much from the Perry brick wall too.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 07:03:59
on Fri, 7 Feb 2014, remarked:

My head is hurting too much from the Perry brick wall too.

Your problem, if you can't tell the difference between issuing a
smart-card that give a discounted fare, and accepting that card when
presented at a gate line.
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
07:03:59 on Fri, 7 Feb 2014, remarked:

My head is hurting too much from the Perry brick wall too.

Your problem, if you can't tell the difference between issuing a
smart-card that give a discounted fare, and accepting that card when
presented at a gate line.

You obviously don't understand how railcards are used with Oyster.

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Colin Rosenstiel

On 06/02/2014 20:15, tim..... wrote:


"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
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On 05/02/2014 18:00, tim..... wrote:

Who the flip queues up to buy a ticket at 10pm?

People wanting something obscure for travel at a future time, who are
getting it while they happen to pass.

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would you get on the end of a 100 person long queue to do this?

Yes, if I thought the queue would be 101 persons long the next time I
passed.


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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK