I still don't understand how that tells it which of the two valid
cards to use.

If it got an answer from both (with a suitable separation), it could
decide to use the season ticket rather than the PAYG. Doesn't have to
take just the first one, especially just after it had detected a clash.

I suppose, but that still doesn't help in the many cases where there
is no clear reason to prefer one card over another. It seems a poor
use of funds to redo the gates when it will only help sometimes.

Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem.

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I still don't understand how that tells it which of the two valid
cards to use.

If it got an answer from both (with a suitable separation), it could
decide to use the season ticket rather than the PAYG. Doesn't have to
take just the first one, especially just after it had detected a clash.

I suppose, but that still doesn't help in the many cases where there
is no clear reason to prefer one card over another. It seems a poor
use of funds to redo the gates when it will only help sometimes.

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The gates get reprogrammed software frequently

However ISTM that the time taken to wait for the delay between the cards
re-transmitting is going to be a killer here - especially if you've three
(or four) cards

tim

In message , at 18:24:08 on Wed, 19 Mar
2014, John Levine remarked:
I still don't understand how that tells it which of the two valid
cards to use.

If it got an answer from both (with a suitable separation), it could
decide to use the season ticket rather than the PAYG. Doesn't have to
take just the first one, especially just after it had detected a clash.

I suppose, but that still doesn't help in the many cases where there
is no clear reason to prefer one card over another.

If I have two+ contactless credit cards then I really don't care which
of them TfL use, as long as they only use ones I've signed up to my
"capped account" of course.

It seems a poor use of funds to redo the gates when it will only help
sometimes.

I think they've vastly underestimated the number of people with more
than one 'rfid' card. In the near future there are likely to be lots of
people with at least one ITSO card, as well as one Credit Card, even if
they have decided to give up on Oyster.

Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem.

I've already had to do that (perhaps six years ago). How many different
wallets do they want people to have?

And remember that one of the USPs of Oyster was *not* needing to take it
out of your wallet to use.
--
Roland Perry

Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem. ...

I've already had to do that (perhaps six years ago). How many different
wallets do they want people to have?

And remember that one of the USPs of Oyster was *not* needing to take it
out of your wallet to use.

Right, that's why the commuter wallet has that unshielded pocket.

R's,
John
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In message , at 00:00:53 on Thu, 20 Mar
2014, John Levine remarked:
Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem. ...

I've already had to do that (perhaps six years ago). How many different
wallets do they want people to have?

And remember that one of the USPs of Oyster was *not* needing to take it
out of your wallet to use.

Right, that's why the commuter wallet has that unshielded pocket.

That's OK if you only have one rfid card you want to use frequently. The
problem with the proliferation of such cards is that this becomes
increasingly less likely.
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Roland Perry

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 06:24:08PM +0000, John Levine wrote:

Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem.

If only there was a free, convenient solution that everyone is familiar
with.

Oh, wait, there is! Ask the nice man at the ticket office for a ticket
holder. Put your Oyster thingy into it. Carry it in a convenient pocket.
Sorted.

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uknot posts, it's not waving its arse around saying "root me!"
-- Peter Corlett, in uknot

David Cantrell wrote:

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 06:24:08PM +0000, John Levine wrote:

Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem.

If only there was a free, convenient solution that everyone is familiar
with.

Oh, wait, there is! Ask the nice man at the ticket office for a ticket
holder. Put your Oyster thingy into it. Carry it in a convenient pocket.
Sorted.

What it will be OK in a back pocket which you sit on as I do with my
paper season tickets? Otherwise putting two wallets in a front pocket is
not that convenient as you have to get both out to see which one to use.

--
Mark

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 01:38:32 +0000, (Mark
Bestley) wrote:
What it will be OK in a back pocket which you sit on as I do with my
paper season tickets? Otherwise putting two wallets in a front
pocket is
not that convenient as you have to get both out to see which one to
use.

I don't as a rule put things in back pockets because pickpockets
might be tempted. But in any case a thin season ticket wallet is so
obviously different from a thicker money wallet that I can't see such
confusion really occurring.

Neil

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 01:38:32 +0000, (Mark
Bestley) wrote:
What it will be OK in a back pocket which you sit on as I do with my
paper season tickets? Otherwise putting two wallets in a front
pocket is
not that convenient as you have to get both out to see which one to
use.

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I put my Oyster card/train ticket(s)/passport in my shirt pocket for easy
retrieval

I never put my wallet there

tim

On 25/03/2014 16:44, tim..... wrote:
[...]
I put my Oyster card/train ticket(s)/passport in my shirt pocket for
easy retrieval

I never put my wallet there

I put my passport / boarding pass somewhere 'clever', then have a mild
panic when I can't instantly find it!