On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 04:11:24PM -0500, wrote:

Also, how do you keep an eye on your charges if you use the older gates that
reveal no useful information?

I have never seen any useful information displayed at a gate other than
variations on the theme of "your ticket didn't work, try again".

Oh, there are lots of other things displayed. But unless I stop and look
carefully while people queue up behind me, and then pull my phone out,
navigate to the right page on TfL's website, and carefully compare the
two - the "information" isn't useful information at all.

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In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 04:11:24PM -0500,
wrote:

Also, how do you keep an eye on your charges if you use the older
gates that reveal no useful information?

I have never seen any useful information displayed at a gate other than
variations on the theme of "your ticket didn't work, try again".

Oh, there are lots of other things displayed. But unless I stop and look
carefully while people queue up behind me, and then pull my phone out,
navigate to the right page on TfL's website, and carefully compare the
two - the "information" isn't useful information at all.

It tells you the fare deducted and the new card balance if it's not one of
the old gates.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 09:46:19AM -0500, wrote:
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:
Oh, there are lots of other things displayed. But unless I stop and look
carefully while people queue up behind me, and then pull my phone out,
navigate to the right page on TfL's website, and carefully compare the
two - the "information" isn't useful information at all.
It tells you the fare deducted and the new card balance if it's not one of
the old gates.

Not useful, unless you're in the tiny minority that have memorised what
the fares should be and who know what their card balance is at all
times. And you still have to stop and bend down to see what it says
while the person behind is trying to push you through the gate because
they're not expecting you to stop and admire the scenery.

--
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In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

*Subject:* Oyster: still an unreliable rip-off
*From:* David Cantrell
*Date:* Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:44:59 +0100

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 09:46:19AM -0500,
wrote:
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:
Oh, there are lots of other things displayed. But unless I stop
and look
carefully while people queue up behind me, and then pull my phone
out,
navigate to the right page on TfL's website, and carefully
compare the
two - the "information" isn't useful information at all.
It tells you the fare deducted and the new card balance if it's not
one of the old gates.

Not useful, unless you're in the tiny minority that have memorised
what
the fares should be and who know what their card balance is at all
times. And you still have to stop and bend down to see what it says
while the person behind is trying to push you through the gate because
they're not expecting you to stop and admire the scenery.

I think you exaggerate somewhat. The gates that tell are easy enough to with
minimal delay. Most in central London don't give out the information though.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:47:36 -0500, wrote:
Not useful, unless you're in the tiny minority that have memorised
what
the fares should be and who know what their card balance is at all
times. And you still have to stop and bend down to see what it says
while the person behind is trying to push you through the gate because
they're not expecting you to stop and admire the scenery.

I think you exaggerate somewhat. The gates that tell are easy enough to with
minimal delay. Most in central London don't give out the information though.

The older pneumatic gates should have a display on exit like the one
in http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ter-Reader.jpg

In article ,
(David Walters) wrote:

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:47:36 -0500, wrote:
Not useful, unless you're in the tiny minority that have memorised what
the fares should be and who know what their card balance is at all
times. And you still have to stop and bend down to see what it says
while the person behind is trying to push you through the gate because
they're not expecting you to stop and admire the scenery.

I think you exaggerate somewhat. The gates that tell are easy
enough to with minimal delay. Most in central London don't give out
the information though.

The older pneumatic gates should have a display on exit like the onein
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ter-Reader.jpg

I'm not sure they all have that display next to the touch pad. I think they
didn't use to.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:38:19 -0500, wrote:
In article ,
(David Walters) wrote:

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:47:36 -0500, wrote:
Not useful, unless you're in the tiny minority that have memorised what
the fares should be and who know what their card balance is at all
times. And you still have to stop and bend down to see what it says
while the person behind is trying to push you through the gate because
they're not expecting you to stop and admire the scenery.

I think you exaggerate somewhat. The gates that tell are easy
enough to with minimal delay. Most in central London don't give out
the information though.

The older pneumatic gates should have a display on exit like the onein
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ter-Reader.jpg

I'm not sure they all have that display next to the touch pad. I think they
didn't use to.

I've not seen an exit gate without one. Too often I find an exit gate
where the display is broken or shows 'CLOSED'. Occasionally I've reported
it to the ticket line staff but they don't seem to care.

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 02:52:00PM +0100, David Walters wrote:

The older pneumatic gates should have a display on exit like the one
in http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ter-Reader.jpg

Such high contrast! So close to the eye-line! That huge text!

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David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

I hate baby seals. They get asked to all the best clubs.

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On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 02:52:00PM +0100, David Walters wrote:

The older pneumatic gates should have a display on exit like the one
in http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ter-Reader.jpg

Such high contrast! So close to the eye-line! That huge text!

It's crap, isn't it

I just can't believe anyone put any thought into the usability of this
feature at all.

It looks more like - we've got this screen her to output stuff whilst we are
testing, we might as well leave it in the final product

tim

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In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

*Subject:* Oyster: still an unreliable rip-off
*From:* David Cantrell
*Date:* Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:44:59 +0100

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 09:46:19AM -0500,
wrote:
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:
Oh, there are lots of other things displayed. But unless I stop
and look
carefully while people queue up behind me, and then pull my phone
out,
navigate to the right page on TfL's website, and carefully
compare the
two - the "information" isn't useful information at all.
It tells you the fare deducted and the new card balance if it's not
one of the old gates.

Not useful, unless you're in the tiny minority that have memorised
what
the fares should be and who know what their card balance is at all
times. And you still have to stop and bend down to see what it says
while the person behind is trying to push you through the gate because
they're not expecting you to stop and admire the scenery.

I think you exaggerate somewhat.

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I don 't

that's exactly what I have to do to read the display. The character just
aren't big enough

tim