In message , Matt Ashby
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Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the
time that they need.

There have to be some external parameters. What if there was a death at
7pm on a Friday, and the police said "we want until noon on Monday,
because we don't work weekends any more". That's an extreme example, but
surely the long time it took to investigate this particular incident
points to a lack of immediately available resources, rather than a lot
of work being required.
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Roland Perry

On 7 Feb 2004 03:10:11 -0800 someone who may be
(Matt Ashby) wrote this:-

Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the
time that they need.

The police are incompetent enough as it is. In fact they are, in
common with much of the legal world, one of the last bastions of all
that Mrs Thatcher complained about. Giving the police all the time
they need sounds to me like the sort of thing party politicians say
when they are trying to please the public.




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Matt Ashby wrote:

Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not
recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for
the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to
180 mins late!

Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the
police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general
public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up
in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these
days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly.
Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the
railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the
latest.

Which would give people wanting to kill people / dispose of bodies a
very good reason to do so on the railways. "Oh, it'll be OK - the
police only have 4 hours to investigate this scene and pick up all the
forensics, so they'll never connect it to us".

You've forgotten one crucial factor: CCTV!

Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the
time that they need.

Yes, but examining a scene as uncluttered as a train station shouldn't
take more than an hour. What extra evidence do you think could be gained
by keeping the station closed all morning?

"Jack Taylor" wrote in message k...
"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
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Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not
recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for
the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to
180 mins late!

Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the
police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general
public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up
in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these
days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly.
Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the
railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the
latest.

On the day in question there were many rumours doing the rounds
including that the person was a 14yr old "graffiti artist". Any more
news on the truth yet ?
I have to say that I was amazed how the Sth central service was still
doing at 13.00 when I went to work some 12 hours after the initial
incident. Just to show how bad:

13:02 Victoria to Portsmouth CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:03 Victoria to Dorking CANCELLED AT EPSOM 36" Late
13:05 Victoria to Sutton CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:06 Victoria to Brighton CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:07 Victoria to West Croydon CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:11 Victoria to London Bridge CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:15 Victoria to Caterham CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:17 Victoria to Southampton CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:20 Victoria to Epsom CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:22 Victoria to London Bridge arrived 50" late having started CJN
13:23 Victoria to East Grinstead CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:25 Victoria to Epsom Downs CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:32 Victoria to Chichester CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:33 Victoria to Horsham Arrived 20" late having started CJN
13:35 Victoria to Sutton CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:36 Victoria to Brighton Ran E Croydon to Brighton only
13:37 Victoria to West Croydon Ran RIGHT TIME Claphm to WC !
13:41 Victoria to London Bridge Ran 6" late
13:45 Victoria to Caterham CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:47 Victoria to Hastings Ran E Croydon to Eastbourne only 30" late
13:50 Victoria to Epsom CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:52 Victoria to London Bridge CANCELLED AT VICTORIA
13:53 Victoria to East Ginstead Ran East Croydon to East grinstead 58"
late
13:55 Victoria to Epsom CANCELLED AT VICTORIA

!!!!

I actually done Selhurst to Kings Cross by CAR instead ! Not something
I would normally do even in quite bad times/

Fat Richard

"Fat Richard" wrote in message
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I have to say that I was amazed how the Sth central service was still
doing at 13.00 when I went to work some 12 hours after the initial
incident.

Still as bad at 20:00, when I passed through the area. Numerous up trains
running between 20 and 90 minutes late due to the knock-on effect of crew
displacement earlier in the day, down trains equally as late if not later,
where not cancelled. Victoria concourse awash with irate passengers.

Is this any way to run a railway?

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"Jack Taylor" wrote:


"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
om...

Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not
recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for
the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to
180 mins late!

Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the
police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general
public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up
in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these
days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly.
Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the
railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the
latest.



You are an expert on police procedure and the requirements of
Scenes-of-Crimes operations then? They make one false step and everyone from
the Home Secretary all the way down to the Sun newspaper is going to jump all
over them. They don't need, but certainly get, plenty of cretins complaining
because theor oh-so-important journey has been delayed 5 minutes. If they
screw up a muder conviction by not getting the forensics right in the first
place, those self-same cretins will be the first to start demanding that
heads should roll.

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Graeme Wall
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:45:14 +0000 someone who may be Graeme Wall
wrote this:-

They don't need, but certainly get, plenty of cretins complaining
because theor oh-so-important journey has been delayed 5 minutes.

Nice try. However, the delays mentioned din this thread are rather
more than five minutes.


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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message k...
"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message
om...

Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not
recovered until 1300 approx.

Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the
police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general
public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up
in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these
days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly.
Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the
railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the
latest.

I take it this is meant as a rather morbid joke? Just in case it isn't
....

A body is found, possibly badly damaged - had it been hit by a train?
- at 1am and you expect the police to complete their scene-of-crime
investigations within a couple of hours, in the middle of the night?

By the way, I'm told that the new system is that SOCO's are only
called out when it's not known how the body got there, so it could be
a murder victim. When railway staff see the person alive - ie clear
suicides - it's now handled at a less painstaking level.

Nonetheless, if one of my friends or relatives was found dead on a
railway at 1am, I'd be a bit upset if no more than a cursory
examination of the scene took place.

Ian