"Baloo" wrote in message
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Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the
suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do
everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things take
time, thats a fact of life.

It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the
ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That,
despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing etc.
that have been made. As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long
anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident
and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides
as it does now, suspicious or otherwise.

In message , Jack Taylor
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"Baloo" wrote in message
...

Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the
suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do
everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things take
time, thats a fact of life.

It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the
ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That,
despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing etc.
that have been made.

Before the advances in DNA testing etc., the only thing to do with blood
etc. was wash it away, not sample it and record where that sample was
taken from.


As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long
anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident
and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides
as it does now, suspicious or otherwise.



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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:49:28 +0000 someone who may be Five Cats
] wrote this:-

Before the advances in DNA testing etc., the only thing to do with blood
etc. was wash it away, not sample it and record where that sample was
taken from.

This helps investigation of the cause in what way precisely?


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Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the
suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do
everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things
take
time, thats a fact of life.

It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the
ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That,
despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing
etc.
that have been made. As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long
anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road
incident
and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides
as it does now, suspicious or otherwise.

Surely the best option would to check CCTV if there is some and if it shows
a push then they can collect the evidence and if there is no CCTV ask the
driver and do the same. They can spend time checking pushes, but if its a
suicide then they should have no reason to collect DNA etc,
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Joe wrote:
Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of
the suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police
didn't do everything possible at the scene to detect the offender.
These things take time, thats a fact of life.

It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything
like the ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such
matters. That, despite the significant advances in forensic
technology and DNA testing etc. that have been made. As other
posters have noted: it doesn't take as long anywhere else in
Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident and it
never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides
as it does now, suspicious or otherwise.

Surely the best option would to check CCTV if there is some and if it
shows a push then they can collect the evidence and if there is no
CCTV ask the driver and do the same. They can spend time checking
pushes, but if its a suicide then they should have no reason to
collect DNA etc,

Pushes? Suicide? Your post was 4 hours after another in the same thread
which said that the body had a knife wound. In this instance, it does
sound as if a thorough scene-of-crime investigation was justified, whatever
we might feel about other railway accidents.
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message k...

It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the
ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That,
despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing etc.
that have been made.

No, it's *because* of those advances. If there is a suspicion of
murder, it's now worth looking for very, very much smaller pieces of
evidence than ten or even five years ago. And that takes longer.

As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long
anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident
and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides
as it does now, suspicious or otherwise.

And if there is a chance that it's not a railway accident, but a
murder victim dumped on the line ... ?

Ian

On 9 Feb 2004 01:49:51 -0800 someone who may be
(Ian Johnston) wrote this:-

If there is a suspicion of
murder, it's now worth looking for very, very much smaller pieces of
evidence than ten or even five years ago. And that takes longer.

Despite such "fingertip search" activities by the police it remains
a fact that they and the "experts" advising them did not recognise
the AWS receiver or the ATP master byte card of the train that
crashed at Southall. Had it not been for railway staff Inspector
Clouseau and their colleagues would have lost these items.



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David Hansen wrote:

On 9 Feb 2004 01:49:51 -0800 someone who may be
(Ian Johnston) wrote this:-

If there is a suspicion of
murder, it's now worth looking for very, very much smaller pieces of
evidence than ten or even five years ago. And that takes longer.

Despite such "fingertip search" activities by the police it remains
a fact that they and the "experts" advising them did not recognise
the AWS receiver or the ATP master byte card of the train that
crashed at Southall. Had it not been for railway staff Inspector
Clouseau and their colleagues would have lost these items.



Nice try!!!! But what has that got to do with a murder investigation?

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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:33:46 +0000 someone who may be Graeme Wall
wrote this:-

But what has that got to do with a murder investigation?

You told us about small pieces of evidence. I simply pointed out
large pieces of evidence which the police missed.


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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:33:46 +0000 someone who may be Graeme Wall
wrote this:-

But what has that got to do with a murder investigation?

You told us about small pieces of evidence. I simply pointed out
large pieces of evidence which the police missed.



But what has that got to do with a murder investigation?

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