In message , at 17:28:18 on Tue, 20 May
2014, Steve Fitzgerald ] remarked:
http://tfl.gov.uk/contactlesspilot
Latest Pilot Information
Key messages
. As soon as you receive your membership card you can start to use your
contactless payment card to travel

. You must carry your membership card with you at all times when you
travel using your contactless payment card

adding ... "on the pilot scheme" ... here would help a lot (if true).

Oh FFS!!! Even more card-bloat. You couldn't make it up.

You missed the word 'pilot'?

I didn't miss it, but surmised that this was another aspect of the
*regular* scheme that they were now starting to pilot.

If it is indeed *only* for the pilot, that's good news.
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Roland Perry

On 20/05/2014 17:40, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
http://tfl.gov.uk/contactlesspilot
Latest Pilot Information
Key messages
. As soon as you receive your membership card you can start to use your
contactless payment card to travel

. You must carry your membership card with you at all times when you
travel using your contactless payment card

adding ... "on the pilot scheme" ... here would help a lot (if true).

It's on a page aimed at people on the pilot scheme ("Latest Pilot
Information - Key Messages..." etc).

Enabling contactless cards for fare payments but requiring a linked
membership card would be pointless (outside of a pilot).


Oh FFS!!! Even more card-bloat. You couldn't make it up.

You missed the word 'pilot'?

I didn't miss it, but surmised that this was another aspect of the
*regular* scheme that they were now starting to pilot.

If it is indeed *only* for the pilot, that's good news.

You surmisation is defective.

In message , at 18:27:05 on Tue, 20 May
2014, Mizter T remarked:
adding ... "on the pilot scheme" ... here would help a lot (if true).

It's on a page aimed at people on the pilot scheme ("Latest Pilot
Information - Key Messages..." etc).

But available to the public, so best to make it as unambiguous as
possible.

Enabling contactless cards for fare payments but requiring a linked
membership card would be pointless (outside of a pilot).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutber%27s_law applies far too often, I'm
afraid. (Not necessarily in this case, but it's commonplace).
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Roland Perry

On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:47:54 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
ps There were stern tannoys at Euston tube station today, about avoiding
"card clash", as well as numerous posters. What I'm not sure is what
happens if someone not on the trial tries a contactless card. Perhaps
it's just rejected.

I suspect it would work and you would be charged correctly, providing you
touched in/out at all the right places etc. It would be an interesting
experiment to try but if you were stopped by a ticket inspector you
might want to have an alternative valid ticket to show so would end up
paying twice.

Or you might not and might end up spending hours bouncing between your
credit card issuer and TfL arguing about a refund.

https://contactless.tfl.gov.uk/ says you can see 7 days of history even
if you haven't signed up for an online account. Someone brave with a
few pounds to spare could be an uninvited pilot user.

On 20/05/2014 13:42, David Walters wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 12:05:04 +0100, Mizter T wrote:

On 20/05/2014 11:52, David Walters wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2014 07:10:35 +0100, Mizter T wrote:
At a *complete guess*, I'd imagine those people now using contactless as
part of the pilot won't have to stop using it before it launches for
real. As I said, a complete guess.

The only bit of the pilot that seems not ready for launch is issuing a
membership card, perhaps because revenue protection staff don't yet
have a new reader? Perhaps that will get resolved and then it will go
live? Has anyone had their Oyster card checked recently by a hand held
reader that is different to the traditional ones?

http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn....art-580-90.jpg


Eh, membership card?

http://tfl.gov.uk/contactlesspilot
Latest Pilot Information
Key messages
. As soon as you receive your membership card you can start to use your
contactless payment card to travel

. You must carry your membership card with you at all times when you
travel using your contactless payment card

Yep, got the same message today.

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

pps Because my Barclays OnePulse has turned to dust, I needed to buy
a brand new Oyster card today, and it was really easy - at one of the
machines at Kings Cross 'classic' ticket hall. And no queues either.

No queues at King's Cross? Surely shome mishtake?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 05:54:40
on Wed, 21 May 2014, remarked:
pps Because my Barclays OnePulse has turned to dust, I needed to buy
a brand new Oyster card today, and it was really easy - at one of the
machines at Kings Cross 'classic' ticket hall. And no queues either.

No queues at King's Cross?

At the ticket machines, I didn't check the manned windows.

Surely shome mishtake?

I have to admit to being slightly surprised. But it was around 8.45am,
when most tourists are still having their breakfast and the majority of
travellers have season tickets.

ps. When the ticket offices are eventually closed they'll have to modify
the text on the back of these vended-Oysters, which currently states:

"Found cards should be returned to any Tube station ticket office".
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:15:19 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
ps. When the ticket offices are eventually closed they'll have to modify
the text on the back of these vended-Oysters, which currently states:

"Found cards should be returned to any Tube station ticket office".

Or they could have some kind of letter box in the bit of the station
where the ticket machines are that the general public would probably
call a ticket office. I think they already have some for unwanted cards
with the card balance and deposit going to charity (Railway Children?).

In message , at 14:59:47 on
Wed, 21 May 2014, David Walters remarked:
ps. When the ticket offices are eventually closed they'll have to modify
the text on the back of these vended-Oysters, which currently states:

"Found cards should be returned to any Tube station ticket office".

Or they could have some kind of letter box in the bit of the station
where the ticket machines are that the general public would probably
call a ticket office. I think they already have some for unwanted cards
with the card balance and deposit going to charity (Railway Children?).

The "found" cards would have to be very well differentiated from the
"donated" ones. Can you imagine the fuss if someone lost a card and then
the balance was donated, rather than them be reunited with it?
--
Roland Perry

"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
...
In message , David Walters
writes

ps There were stern tannoys at Euston tube station today, about avoiding
"card clash", as well as numerous posters. What I'm not sure is what
happens if someone not on the trial tries a contactless card. Perhaps
it's just rejected.

I suspect it would work and you would be charged correctly, providing you
touched in/out at all the right places etc. It would be an interesting
experiment to try but if you were stopped by a ticket inspector you
might want to have an alternative valid ticket to show so would end up
paying twice.

Or you might not and might end up spending hours bouncing between your
credit card issuer and TfL arguing about a refund.

https://contactless.tfl.gov.uk/ says you can see 7 days of history even
if you haven't signed up for an online account. Someone brave with a
few pounds to spare could be an uninvited pilot user.

It would currently be rejected.

Is that wishful thinking?

We hear all the time that machines can only store a limited amount of "top
up" data as the details can't be access online in real time.

Yet here we are being told that the number of the (cards of the) thousand or
so people in the trial are either available in real time or are stored in
every machine on the network.

tim



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