"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 14:59:47 on
Wed, 21 May 2014, David Walters remarked:
ps. When the ticket offices are eventually closed they'll have to modify
the text on the back of these vended-Oysters, which currently states:

"Found cards should be returned to any Tube station ticket office".

Or they could have some kind of letter box in the bit of the station
where the ticket machines are that the general public would probably
call a ticket office. I think they already have some for unwanted cards
with the card balance and deposit going to charity (Railway Children?).

The "found" cards would have to be very well differentiated from the
"donated" ones. Can you imagine the fuss if someone lost a card and then
the balance was donated, rather than them be reunited with it?

It would have travel card on it

I can't see there being many people who found a PAYG card with a balance on
it, turning it in

tim


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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...
In message , at 14:59:47 on Wed, 21 May
2014, David Walters remarked:
ps. When the ticket offices are eventually closed they'll have to modify
the text on the back of these vended-Oysters, which currently states:

"Found cards should be returned to any Tube station ticket office".

Or they could have some kind of letter box in the bit of the station
where the ticket machines are that the general public would probably
call a ticket office. I think they already have some for unwanted cards
with the card balance and deposit going to charity (Railway Children?).

The "found" cards would have to be very well differentiated from the "donated" ones.
Can you imagine the fuss if someone lost a card and then the balance was donated,
rather than them be reunited with it?
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Roland Perry


O.k. then, two slots.

One marked "Donated Cards" the other marked "Found Cards"

How does that sound ?


michael adams

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"tim....." wrote

We hear all the time that machines can only store a limited amount of "top
up" data as the details can't be access online in real time.

Yet here we are being told that the number of the (cards of the) thousand
or
so people in the trial are either available in real time or are stored in
every machine on the network.


The "not in real time" difficulty was for buses.

I imagine that the full scheme will store a hot card list for every gateline
cluster so checking a good card list for the pilot is easy enough and a
useful test.


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Mike D

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
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"tim....." wrote

We hear all the time that machines can only store a limited amount of
"top
up" data as the details can't be access online in real time.

Yet here we are being told that the number of the (cards of the) thousand
or
so people in the trial are either available in real time or are stored in
every machine on the network.


The "not in real time" difficulty was for buses.

no, it's definitely the time taken to access the data on a gateline being
longer than the required 200 milli-seconds



I imagine that the full scheme will store a hot card list for every
gateline cluster so checking a good card list for the pilot is easy enough
and a useful test.


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Mike D

More details of the foreign cards that will not initially be accepted have emerged.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-paym...ss?intcmp=8610

The (mostly USA) cards that will not be initally accepted I suspect are the non EMV cards that just emulate the magnetic strip for contactless.

In message , at
05:51:03 on Thu, 22 May 2014, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:

More details of the foreign cards that will not initially be accepted
have emerged.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-paym...tless/what-is-
contactless?intcmp=8610

The (mostly USA) cards that will not be initally accepted I suspect are
the non EMV cards that just emulate the magnetic strip for contactless.

Last time I was in Newark, waiting to catch a plane home I noticed
numerous booths selling "Prepaid credit cards for use in Europe". I
wonder if those are already, or will be soon, compatible?

And: "You should also be aware that overseas transaction fees or
charges may apply for travel made with a card issued outside the
UK, please check with your card issuer."

I hope that sort of charge would only be levied "per daily cap", and not
*every* time someone touches in or out!

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Roland Perry

Last time I was in Newark, waiting to catch a plane home I noticed
numerous booths selling "Prepaid credit cards for use in Europe". I
wonder if those are already, or will be soon, compatible?

Those are the Travelex chip+pin prepaid cards. I'm reasonably sure
none of them are contactless. They are market leaders in offering
the worst exchange rates available anywhere. Their current rate
for USD/GBP is 53.3p, compared to 57.8p from my bank.

And: "You should also be aware that overseas transaction fees or
charges may apply for travel made with a card issued outside the
UK, please check with your card issuer."

Most of the cards I have (from the US and France and Canada, not just
the UK) charge about 3% extra for transactions other than in their own
currency.

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In message , at 18:05:47 on Thu, 22 May
2014, John Levine remarked:

And: "You should also be aware that overseas transaction fees or
charges may apply for travel made with a card issued outside the
UK, please check with your card issuer."

Most of the cards I have (from the US and France and Canada, not just
the UK) charge about 3% extra for transactions other than in their own
currency.

But what's the definition of a "transaction"... just the total at the
end of the day, or every time you swipe a barrier [which arguably
charges the card about £9 when you swipe in, and makes an appropriate
refund of approx £0-£7 when you swipe out, depending how far away the
two places are].

As a second order effect, if you get a (say) £5 refund at the end of
such a leg, do they *charge* you 15p, or *refund* you 15p?
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Roland Perry

On Thu, 22 May 2014 20:50:23 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:05:47 on Thu, 22 May
2014, John Levine remarked:

And: "You should also be aware that overseas transaction fees or
charges may apply for travel made with a card issued outside the
UK, please check with your card issuer."

Most of the cards I have (from the US and France and Canada, not just
the UK) charge about 3% extra for transactions other than in their own
currency.

But what's the definition of a "transaction"... just the total at the
end of the day, or every time you swipe a barrier [which arguably
charges the card about £9 when you swipe in, and makes an appropriate
refund of approx £0-£7 when you swipe out, depending how far away the
two places are].

It's the total cost of all the travel made in a day.

In message , at 21:27:16 on
Thu, 22 May 2014, David Walters remarked:
And: "You should also be aware that overseas transaction fees or
charges may apply for travel made with a card issued outside the
UK, please check with your card issuer."

Most of the cards I have (from the US and France and Canada, not just
the UK) charge about 3% extra for transactions other than in their own
currency.

But what's the definition of a "transaction"... just the total at the
end of the day, or every time you swipe a barrier [which arguably
charges the card about £9 when you swipe in, and makes an appropriate
refund of approx £0-£7 when you swipe out, depending how far away the
two places are].

It's the total cost of all the travel made in a day.

That's not so bad then. 3% of £7 is only 21p, and that sort of amount is
going to be lost in the noise of the currency conversion.
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Roland Perry