On Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:47:02 UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 23:35:38 +0100, Tony Dragon

wrote:



The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader)



As it is an Oyster card, but just formatted differently, then that's

not a surprise. In due course I would expect other smartcards in ITSO

format will also clash - that depends on the ITSO functionality being

switched on on the TfL network of card reading devices. The TfL card

readers will in due course read Oyster, contactless bank cards and

ITSO spec cards.



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Paul C

I think 13th October is when ITSO cards should be usable on any Oyster reader.

http://www.c2c-online.co.uk/tickets-...art-card/index

The fares are already loaded on the database

e.g. http://www.brfares.com/#expert?orig=SRY&dest=ZMP

For anyone keeping track, the c2c Smart OID is 0247

In message , at 16:39:51 on
Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:

I wonder if we will see Southern also extending the Key at the same
time?

They keep saying they will, but without having followed it chapter and
verse, I'm pretty sure it's "delayed".

eg: "To complement the ITSO deployment, Cubic has also implemented new
gate lines at Gatwick Airport and Brighton, the biggest stations served
by Southern outside of London. The next stage of the project will see
Cubic deploy the technology to provide ITSO capability on the remaining
Oyster overground gate estate, with the final stage enabling London
Underground and buses to accept ITSO cards in early 2014."

Is it still "early 2014" ??

People have been anticipating "ITSO on Prestige" since at least 2009.
Including a GoVia press release:

"Introduction of an ITSO-certified Smartcard ticketing system across the
network by January 2012"
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Roland Perry

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:31:06 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:
I understand your "weariness" about ITSO but I do get a sense we are
on the final run in to some people being able to use ITSO spec cards
on the TfL estate.

Just in time for me to abandon my Oyster in favour of my credit card.

I still think NR would have been better spending the money on barcode
readers.

Neil

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Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply.

you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never
know which was which

Never heard of marker pens?

I have two Oyster wallets with different designs.

I am not sure what people expect but how is a card reader expected to "know" which card to debit if you have a couple of contactless payment cards in your wallet? (More of an issue on buses at the moment)

"Piatkow" wrote in message
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I am not sure what people expect but how is a card reader expected to
"know" which card to debit if you have a couple of contactless payment
cards in your wallet? (More of an issue on buses at the moment)

It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent" and
look for:

Freedom pass
Oyster with relevant season
Oyster with PAYG balance

before randomly selecting debiting your CC

Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of) actually
intelligently charge the correct card from the above list , it should
certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others is found.

tim

In message , at 14:54:26 on Thu, 26
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked:
I am not sure what people expect but how is a card reader expected to
"know" which card to debit if you have a couple of contactless payment
cards in your wallet? (More of an issue on buses at the moment)

It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent"
and look for:

Freedom pass
Oyster with relevant season
Oyster with PAYG balance

before randomly selecting debiting your CC

Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of)
actually intelligently charge the correct card from the above list , it
should certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others is
found.

It can't, and doesn't, do all that in the short interval it has
available. Even if the RFID interference between the different cards
means you could even read them individually.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 14:54:26 on Thu, 26 Jun
2014, tim..... remarked:
I am not sure what people expect but how is a card reader expected to
"know" which card to debit if you have a couple of contactless payment
cards in your wallet? (More of an issue on buses at the moment)

It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent" and
look for:

Freedom pass
Oyster with relevant season
Oyster with PAYG balance

before randomly selecting debiting your CC

Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of) actually
intelligently charge the correct card from the above list , it should
certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others is found.

It can't, and doesn't,

I know that it doesn't (that's almost a given)

but I don't see that it can't.

do all that in the short interval it has available.

So extending that window is a worse use of time that having pax stand at the
barrier for 30 seconds whilst he fusses about which card to use?

(OK I know, having stood behind that person [1], it only seems like 30
seconds but is probably nearer 10)

Even if the RFID interference between the different cards means you could
even read them individually.

there must be a possible process of conversing with only one card as
otherwise we would never get the scenario of writing to the wrong card. I
can't believe this always happens because only one card "wakes up"

tim

[1] he was trying to make his "paper" ticket work the contactless pad, after
3 tries I stepped in and told him he had to put that type of ticket in the
slot, at which point he announced that he actually though he was using his
freedom pass.

In message , at 15:20:47 on Thu, 26
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked:
It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent"
and look for:

Freedom pass
Oyster with relevant season
Oyster with PAYG balance

before randomly selecting debiting your CC

Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of)
actually intelligently charge the correct card from the above list ,
it should certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others
is found.

It can't, and doesn't,

I know that it doesn't (that's almost a given)

but I don't see that it can't.

do all that in the short interval it has available.

So extending that window is a worse use of time that having pax stand
at the barrier for 30 seconds whilst he fusses about which card to use?

The speed of operating gates has always been fundamental for TfL, even
though I believe they've had to sacrifice a little to accommodate
contactless CCs at all.
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Roland Perry

On 24/06/2014 20:18, CJB wrote:
If you touch your Oyster card on a yellow card reader when it's in the same
wallet or purse as another contactless card, the reader may detect more than
one card. When this happens, the card reader doesn't know which one to read
so rejects them and you could experience any of the following:

That's a strange way to describe it.

If there is more than one contactless cards present it's likely that
they will respond to the readers energy field at the same time and the
reader will just see a corrupt response.

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Brian Gregory (in the UK).
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