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Old February 20th 04, 07:52 PM posted to uk.transport.london
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Having got onto this topic perhaps someone can help me out. The
Tories are against closer integration into Europe claiming loss of
sovereignty etc. If that is really the case why are they also
against returning sovereignty to Scotland and Wales?


I'd guess it's because they're Conservatives, e.g. content with the
status quo. This includes the unwritten constitution which
centralizes all power in the Crown, and therefore in the government
at Westminster. Therefore moving power to Edinburgh is just as
offensive as moving power to Brussels - because it detracts from
the Sovreignty of Parliament.


But the Scots (notionally anyway) chose to give up their sovereignty
to the English Parliament and become part of the United Kingdom. So
what's wrong with returning it to them?



No. The Scots didn't "chose to give up their sovereignty to the
English Parliament and become part of the United Kingdom".

The Scottish and English Parliaments both voted themselves out of
existence (in 1707) in favour of a new *British* Parliament. The
United Kingdom came into being 104 years earlier (in 1603) when James
the 6th of Scotland became James the 1st of Great Britain (note,
*not* James the 1st of England). The English educational system has
never been on the ball regarding what really happened!

The English view of course is that the English Parliament absorbed
Scotland, not true............


Which does not detract from my argument.


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