"Robin" wrote:
These prices are insane. How could reinstating Lea Bridge station on
land which is presumably still owned by the railway cost as much as
buying 14 average London houses and the land they stand on?

Perhaps start by costing in the passenger lifts? Adding them to an old
station can easily cost around a million with ancillary works included.

Yes, I assume all new stations have to be "accessible", meaning step-free
access to all platforms? There are also presumably more stringent rules
about access roads, bus stops, etc.

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, at 15:53:32 on Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Recliner
remarked:
The Lea Bridge station is a reopening, using the existing platforms. A
better comparison might be the all-new station at Southend Airport, which
cost £16m in 2011.

East Midlands Airport station cost £25m and Cambridge Northstowe Parkway
(officially called "Science Park") is going to cost £26m.

Common features are that each have one platform plus one island, large
car parks and new access roads, and are built on out-of-town brown field
sites. The costs are therefore consistent with Southend Airport.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at 15:53:32 on Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Recliner remarked:
The Lea Bridge station is a reopening, using the existing platforms. A
better comparison might be the all-new station at Southend Airport, which
cost £16m in 2011.

East Midlands Airport station cost £25m and Cambridge Northstowe Parkway
(officially called "Science Park") is going to cost £26m.

Common features are that each have one platform plus one island, large
car parks and new access roads, and are built on out-of-town brown field
sites. The costs are therefore consistent with Southend Airport.

Presumably they needed new track work to accommodate three platform faces?
That would certainly push the costs up, compared to new stations that just
have facing platforms on to existing tracks.

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, at 04:03:05 on Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Recliner
remarked:
The Lea Bridge station is a reopening, using the existing platforms. A
better comparison might be the all-new station at Southend Airport, which
cost £16m in 2011.

East Midlands Airport station cost £25m and Cambridge Northstowe Parkway
(officially called "Science Park") is going to cost £26m.

Common features are that each have one platform plus one island, large
car parks and new access roads, and are built on out-of-town brown field
sites. The costs are therefore consistent with Southend Airport.

Presumably they needed new track work to accommodate three platform faces?

In both cases the track was there before - the two fast and two slow
lines through EMD (I misremembered - there's actually three platforms
although one is much shorter), and the two fast and one siding/loop at
Science Park. But a certain amount of re-positioning to fit the island
platform is no doubt required in both cases.
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Roland Perry

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:18:27 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message

, at 04:03:05 on Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Recliner
remarked:
The Lea Bridge station is a reopening, using the existing platforms. A
better comparison might be the all-new station at Southend Airport, which
cost £16m in 2011.

East Midlands Airport station cost £25m and Cambridge Northstowe Parkway
(officially called "Science Park") is going to cost £26m.

Common features are that each have one platform plus one island, large
car parks and new access roads, and are built on out-of-town brown field
sites. The costs are therefore consistent with Southend Airport.

Presumably they needed new track work to accommodate three platform faces?

In both cases the track was there before - the two fast and two slow
lines through EMD (I misremembered - there's actually three platforms
although one is much shorter), and the two fast and one siding/loop at
Science Park. But a certain amount of re-positioning to fit the island
platform is no doubt required in both cases.

Yes, the track would have to be slewed for sure to fit the island
platform in. Were new points and crossovers needed as well? That
would increase not just the track, but also the signalling cost.
Obviously the large car park and access road pushes up costs, too.

Robin wrote:

These prices are insane. How could reinstating Lea Bridge station on
land which is presumably still owned by the railway cost as much as
buying 14 average London houses and the land they stand on?

Perhaps start by costing in the passenger lifts? Adding them to an old
station can easily cost around a million with ancillary works included.

Mitcham easfileds cost £6m (so Lea Bridge seems cheap) and oer 1m was
for the footbridge and lift
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/modular-station-opens-this-month.html

Corby cost £8.3m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corby_railway_station#Design_and_construction
although wiki implies there was road and car park building as well





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Mark

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:51:56 +0100, (Mark Bestley)
wrote:

Robin wrote:

These prices are insane. How could reinstating Lea Bridge station on
land which is presumably still owned by the railway cost as much as
buying 14 average London houses and the land they stand on?

Perhaps start by costing in the passenger lifts? Adding them to an old
station can easily cost around a million with ancillary works included.

Mitcham easfileds cost £6m (so Lea Bridge seems cheap) and over £1m was
for the footbridge and lift
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/modular-station-opens-this-month.html

Corby cost £8.3m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corby_railway_station#Design_and_construction
although wiki implies there was road and car park building as well

Mitcham Eastfields dates from about six years ago, so inflation would
make the costs much more than£6.5m for Lea Bridge today. And that's
even with the modular buildings which are supposed to cut costs.

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(Recliner) wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:

According to this the new Lea Bridge station will cost £6.5 million.

The Lea Bridge station is a reopening, using the existing platforms. A
better comparison might be the all-new station at Southend Airport,
which cost £16m in 2011.

These prices are insane. How could reinstating Lea Bridge station on
land which is presumably still owned by the railway cost as much as
buying 14 average London houses and the land they stand on? Southend
Airport station is quite nice with its enclosed footbridge and lifts on
both sides, but how could it cost as much as 78 average Southend houses
and the land they stand on? Somebody is getting very rich here, and I
bet it isn't the men with bricks in their hands.

Yes, I know, these prices are astonishing, if routine these days. It's why
NR brought in modular stations, and Chiiltern decided to build Warwick
Parkway itself, for much less than NR said it would cost:
"The managing director of Chiltern Trains, on BBC's Panorama, had asked
Network Rail to quote for a new station for Warwick Parkway. Network Rail
said it would cost £13 million. The managing director thought this was a
lot of money. He went to the train companies and the station was built for
£5.5 million."

From:

http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.u...-new-stations/
story-15077024-detail/story.html#ixzz37EvFsA00

I don't know if TfL is any more efficient at building new stations than
NR. I think one aspect that's particularly expensive in this country is to
build new stations on in-service lines, so the two all-new stations on the
Croxley line should be cheaper than they would be if the line were already
in use.

In the case of the new Cambridge Science Park station, by Chesterton
Junction north of Cambridge, the County Council planned for Network Rail not
to build the station and to fund it by its own borrowing. But they have
concluded that a better deal can be got by NR building it and adding it to
its regulated asset base.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message
,
at 15:53:32 on Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Recliner
remarked:
The Lea Bridge station is a reopening, using the existing platforms. A
better comparison might be the all-new station at Southend Airport, which
cost £16m in 2011.

East Midlands Airport station cost £25m and Cambridge Northstowe
Parkway (officially called "Science Park") is going to cost £26m.

Common features are that each have one platform plus one island,
large car parks and new access roads, and are built on out-of-town
brown field sites. The costs are therefore consistent with Southend
Airport.

Does Southend Airport station have a bay platform? I thought it was just
platforms constructed alongside existing tracks, with no track alterations
required?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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,
(Recliner) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message

,
at 15:53:32 on Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Recliner
remarked:
The Lea Bridge station is a reopening, using the existing platforms. A
better comparison might be the all-new station at Southend Airport,
which cost £16m in 2011.

East Midlands Airport station cost £25m and Cambridge Northstowe Parkway
(officially called "Science Park") is going to cost £26m.

Common features are that each have one platform plus one island, large
car parks and new access roads, and are built on out-of-town brown field
sites. The costs are therefore consistent with Southend Airport.

Presumably they needed new track work to accommodate three platform faces?
That would certainly push the costs up, compared to new stations that just
have facing platforms on to existing tracks.

A certain amount of the track work and signalling already exists for
Cambridge Science Park's bay platform, perhaps surprisingly. They are left
overs of the former St Ives branch, including what will become the starting
signal(!).

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Colin Rosenstiel