In article ,
(Richard) wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 03:10:14 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would have
enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.

A lie of course. if I want cheap travel around London I invariably do
better with a paper travelcard.

A lie?

See
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-pay.../price-capping

"Capping compared to Travelcards

If you make several rail journeys or a mixture of rail, bus and tram
journeys in one day, daily capping is usually better value than buying
a Day Travelcard.

Compare these daily caps and Day Travelcards (at adult rate):
Journeys in:
Peak Off-peak
Cap Travelcard
Cap Travelcard
Zones 1-2
£8.40 £9.00 £7.00 £8.90*
Zones 1-4
£10.60 £11.40 £7.70 £8.90*
Zones 1-6
£15.80 £17.00 £8.50 £8.90
Zones 1-9
£19.60 £21.00 £11.60 £12.50

* You can only buy an Off-Peak Day Travelcard for Zones 1-6 or 1-9. If
you're only travelling in Zones 1-4, capping will be better value"

So it seems to me that it is always cheaper on Oyster. No lie. I
wonder why they only claim "usually"?

That was not the claim I was objecting to if you go back up this thread.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 19:16:31 on Thu, 17
Jul 2014, tim..... remarked:

After all, it's only a web site. It isn't a difficult job (for someone
at TfL) to change it if it is wrong

It may be extremely difficult to get the change past the editorial
committee.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:16:31 on Thu, 17 Jul
2014, tim..... remarked:

After all, it's only a web site. It isn't a difficult job (for someone at
TfL) to change it if it is wrong

It may be extremely difficult to get the change past the editorial
committee.

I'm not sure how serious you are being

but as TfL have just recently completely rewritten their web site they must
have managed whatever is actually necessary, for this new one

tim

"tim....." wrote

After all, it's only a web site. It isn't a difficult job (for someone
at TfL) to change it if it is wrong

It may be extremely difficult to get the change past the editorial
committee.

I'm not sure how serious you are being

but as TfL have just recently completely rewritten their web site they
must
have managed whatever is actually necessary, for this new one

#
But that only involved presentation level (and the editorial committee
probably needed to be convinced about changes there too)


--
Mike D

"Richard" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 03:10:14 -0500,
wrote:

In article , (Roland
Perry)
wrote:

All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would have
enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.

A lie of course. if I want cheap travel around London I invariably do
better
with a paper travelcard.

A lie?

See
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-pay.../price-capping

"Capping compared to Travelcards

If you make several rail journeys or a mixture of rail, bus and tram
journeys in one day, daily capping is usually better value than buying
a Day Travelcard.

A "Rail journey" could be from/to outside London where various railcard and
other discounts can be applied that are not available on Oyster. Under these
circumstances a paper outboundary Travelcard, or a combination of paper rail
tickets and Oyster, is often the cheapest option.
--
DAS

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
...
"tim....." wrote

After all, it's only a web site. It isn't a difficult job (for someone
at TfL) to change it if it is wrong

It may be extremely difficult to get the change past the editorial
committee.

I'm not sure how serious you are being

but as TfL have just recently completely rewritten their web site they
must
have managed whatever is actually necessary, for this new one

#
But that only involved presentation level

So does my change

(and the editorial committee
probably needed to be convinced about changes there too)

Still don't understand what this process actually is

tim

In message , at 15:04:42 on Sat, 19
Jul 2014, tim..... remarked:

But that only involved presentation level

So does my change

Your change doesn't requite *only* presentation level.

(and the editorial committee
probably needed to be convinced about changes there too)

Still don't understand what this process actually is

People have to check and agree that the change is actually an
improvement, closer to the truth, or however one wishes to express the
idea that it's somehow better.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:04:42 on Sat, 19 Jul
2014, tim..... remarked:

But that only involved presentation level

So does my change

Your change doesn't requite *only* presentation level.

It does if it works as it "should" and it is only the text on the page that
is wrong

And if it does, in fact, woks as it shouldn't an admission that it does over
charge you wouldn't go amiss.

(and the editorial committee
probably needed to be convinced about changes there too)

Still don't understand what this process actually is

People have to check and agree that the change is actually an improvement,
closer to the truth, or however one wishes to express the idea that it's
somehow better.

That's why people have "managers".

Such overseeing isn't in the remit of some political "committee"

tim

In message , at 15:32:42 on Sat, 19
Jul 2014, tim..... remarked:

But that only involved presentation level

So does my change

Your change doesn't requite *only* presentation level.

It does if it works as it "should" and it is only the text on the page
that is wrong

And if it does, in fact, woks as it shouldn't an admission that it does
over charge you wouldn't go amiss.

All of that depends on complex decisions about what is "right" or
"wrong" or "expected" or even "desired" (by the ticketing people)
behaviour.

(and the editorial committee
probably needed to be convinced about changes there too)

Still don't understand what this process actually is

People have to check and agree that the change is actually an
improvement, closer to the truth, or however one wishes to express
the idea that it's somehow better.

That's why people have "managers".

Such overseeing isn't in the remit of some political "committee"

The committee will be comprised of people (some perhaps managers) from
the various departments with an interest in what's being published.

Without that sort of change control, a website would quickly get out of
hand.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (D A Stocks)
wrote:

"Richard" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 03:10:14 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry)
wrote:

All they say is that using Oyster is cheaper than either:

*a* paper ticket (probably some form of Travelcard) that would
have enabled all your journeys that day.

a series of paper singles.

A lie of course. if I want cheap travel around London I invariably do
better with a paper travelcard.

A lie?

See
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-pay.../price-capping

"Capping compared to Travelcards

If you make several rail journeys or a mixture of rail, bus and tram
journeys in one day, daily capping is usually better value than buying
a Day Travelcard.

Missed point error. We are talking about journeys starting outside the Zones.

A "Rail journey" could be from/to outside London where various
railcard and other discounts can be applied that are not available on
Oyster. Under these circumstances a paper outboundary Travelcard, or
a combination of paper rail tickets and Oyster, is often the cheapest
option.

My complaint remains that it is well nigh impossible to know at the time of
ticket buying which will be cheaper. When I started travelling to London
more regularly in 2001 it was easy because a Day Travelcard was only £1 more
than an Off-Peak Day Return (60p with a railcard). That meant that almost
any tube or bus use would make a Travelcard cheaper than cash fares, then
the only alternative.

Since Oyster was introduced the extra for Travelcards over Day Returns has
risen far more sharply than general fares have risen, and inconsistently
between TOCs too.

So today I bought a Super Off Peak Day Travelcard from Cambridge with
railcard discount. That was £3.95 more than a Super Off Peak Day Return to
London Terminals would have cost me.

In fact I made 1 tube and 3 bus journeys which would only have cost me £1.45
using Oyster and my bus pass. I thought I would use the tube more. My
daughter accompanying me saved a bit because the 3 bus journeys added to the
tube journey cost would have taken her to the £4.60 Zones 1&2 Oyster cap,
higher than the £3.95 ticket premium. But we had no way of knowing what
journeys we would end up making and using travelcards was simpler.

--
Colin Rosenstiel