In message , at 19:17:42
on Sat, 19 Jul 2014, remarked:
So today I bought a Super Off Peak Day Travelcard from Cambridge with
railcard discount. That was £3.95 more than a Super Off Peak Day Return to
London Terminals would have cost me.

In fact I made 1 tube and 3 bus journeys which would only have cost me £1.45
using Oyster and my bus pass. I thought I would use the tube more. My
daughter accompanying me saved a bit because the 3 bus journeys added to the
tube journey cost would have taken her to the £4.60 Zones 1&2 Oyster cap,
higher than the £3.95 ticket premium. But we had no way of knowing what
journeys we would end up making and using travelcards was simpler.

Also the outboundary travelcard is automatically Z1-6, not just Z1-2.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
19:17:42 on Sat, 19 Jul 2014, remarked:
So today I bought a Super Off Peak Day Travelcard from Cambridge with
railcard discount. That was £3.95 more than a Super Off Peak Day Return
to London Terminals would have cost me.

In fact I made 1 tube and 3 bus journeys which would only have cost me
£1.45 using Oyster and my bus pass. I thought I would use the tube more.
My daughter accompanying me saved a bit because the 3 bus journeys added
to the tube journey cost would have taken her to the £4.60 Zones 1&2
Oyster cap, higher than the £3.95 ticket premium. But we had no way of
knowing what journeys we would end up making and using travelcards was
simpler.

Also the outboundary travelcard is automatically Z1-6, not just Z1-2.

True but not relevant to yesterday's requirements.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 15:32:42 on Sat, 19 Jul
2014, tim..... remarked:

But that only involved presentation level

So does my change

Your change doesn't requite *only* presentation level.

It does if it works as it "should" and it is only the text on the page
that is wrong

And if it does, in fact, woks as it shouldn't an admission that it does
over charge you wouldn't go amiss.

All of that depends on complex decisions about what is "right" or "wrong"
or "expected" or even "desired" (by the ticketing people) behaviour.

IMHO lying to punters in order to get then to "do the desired thing" is not
a justifiable reason for the explanation being wrong.

For example it is completely wrong to say "Oyster always guarantees you the
lowest fare" when, in fact it doesn't if your desire is simply to increase
the use of Oyster so that you can abolish paper tickets.

Note that I'm not claiming that they do actually say that. I just used it
as a pertinent possibility.

(and the editorial committee
probably needed to be convinced about changes there too)

Still don't understand what this process actually is

People have to check and agree that the change is actually an
improvement, closer to the truth, or however one wishes to express the
idea that it's somehow better.

That's why people have "managers".

Such overseeing isn't in the remit of some political "committee"

The committee will be comprised of people (some perhaps managers) from the
various departments with an interest in what's being published.

So your "committee" is just a bunch of managers

May I suggest that the use of the word committee here is confusing given
that TfL is a politically controlled animal - it strongly suggests political
involvement in the decision making.

tim

In message , at 09:30:09 on Sun, 20
Jul 2014, tim..... remarked:
All of that depends on complex decisions about what is "right" or
"wrong" or "expected" or even "desired" (by the ticketing people)
behaviour.

IMHO lying to punters in order to get then to "do the desired thing" is
not a justifiable reason for the explanation being wrong.

I didn't say it was.

Such overseeing isn't in the remit of some political "committee"

The committee will be comprised of people (some perhaps managers)
from the various departments with an interest in what's being
published.

So your "committee" is just a bunch of managers

May I suggest that the use of the word committee here is confusing
given that TfL is a politically controlled animal - it strongly
suggests political involvement in the decision making.

I have no idea why you think that. What else would you call a bunch of
people from all over the organisation striving to ensure proper change
control of a website, and that modifications made it better rather than
worse?
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Roland Perry

On 20/07/2014 16:46, Roland Perry wrote:

What else would you call a bunch of
people from all over the organisation striving to ensure proper change
control of a website, and that modifications made it better rather than
worse?

Based on my experience of such things, I'd call it a &~^%$# miracle.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:05:07 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:
Also the outboundary travelcard is automatically Z1-6, not just
Z1-2.

It is, but the actual fare is usually discounted on the basis that
some of the inbound journey is effectively covered by it.

Neil

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Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply.

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:17:42 -0500,
wrote:

So today I bought a Super Off Peak Day Travelcard from Cambridge with
railcard discount. That was £3.95 more than a Super Off Peak Day Return
to London Terminals would have cost me.

In fact I made 1 tube and 3 bus journeys which would only have cost me
£1.45 using Oyster and my bus pass. I thought I would use the tube more.
My daughter accompanying me saved a bit because the 3 bus journeys added
to the tube journey cost would have taken her to the £4.60 Zones 1&2
Oyster cap, higher than the £3.95 ticket premium. But we had no way of
knowing what journeys we would end up making and using travelcards was
simpler.

So it was you and your daughter sat beside me at Vauxhall Bus Station
debating whether the 87 went to Walworth or whether it was the 36 and
436! :-)

What did the young lady selling the programmes say when you admonished
her about Walworth being termed a garage rather than a depot? ;-)

At that point I was about 95% certain it was you having seen your
photo on your Twitter page and tried to find you in the garage to say
hello but you'd vanished!

Sorry to have not said hello earlier. You clearly didn't recognise me
was you walked right past me at the garage entrance although it is a
long time since we met at the utl drink up all those years ago.

Wow! Uncanny! It must have been us indeed though your interpretations
weren't quite right and you seem to have missed my seven year old
granddaughter (who gets free travel so can be ignored in this discussion).

We knew the 87 wasn't for us but it drew up in front of the 436 which we
wanted (or a 36 or 185).

I couldn't get anyone to cast light on how a bus garage became a depot and I
spoke to a number of bus company and TfL Buses people in the course of the
day. It remains a mystery. I explained that to people my age, depots are for
trams and trolleybuses and garages for buses (including Camberwell across
the road).

We stayed in the garage most of the day (give or take chasing a seven year
old around) until after 4 but we took the free heritage RTW to Dulwich
Library about lunchtime, had a bit to eat there and came back on the green
Titan. It was my first visit to Dog Kennel Hill. I now realise why there
were so many special arrangements for trams there. It was fun enough going
down it in an RTW.

You clearly didn't recognise me
was you walked right past me at the garage entrance although it is a
long time since we met at the utl drink up all those years ago.

I think we were a bit preoccupied to get inside at the entrance so would
have missed almost anyone I fear. So sorry to have missed you. It would have
made a good day even better.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at
18:54:54 on Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Neil Williams
remarked:
Also the outboundary travelcard is automatically Z1-6, not just Z1-2.

It is, but the actual fare is usually discounted on the basis that some
of the inbound journey is effectively covered by it.

Only if the person is heading for Z3-6 destination that's on their
inbound route. In which case why not buy a cheaper ticket to there?
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Roland Perry

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:41:58 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:
Only if the person is heading for Z3-6 destination that's on their
inbound route.

Eh? Check the fares. Out boundary TC CDR + 1-6 TC, normally.

Neil

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Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply.

In message , at
20:53:42 on Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Neil Williams
remarked:
Only if the person is heading for Z3-6 destination that's on their
inbound route.

Eh? Check the fares. Out boundary TC CDR + 1-6 TC, normally.

Not for anytime fares.
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Roland Perry