But the next Chesham departure "After 09:10" is at 09:34 - when
Off-Peak applies to fares, anyway.

Am I missing something?

It allows people through the barriers rather than blocking the rather restricted booking hall. Although that does assume that people will be more concerned about the cap rather than the headline fare which I doubt.

What possible objection would there be to an additional train at 0914,
for Oyster users?

Remember that the Chesham branch is single track and can only accomodate 2tph in each direction.

IIRC the times are determined by Chiltern wishing to avoid overcrowding on one of their "peak shoulder" services.

On 19/07/2014 08:57, Peter Able wrote:

[...]
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but am I missing something
about Oyster capping?

"If you travel from a station north of Chorleywood or Hatch End on a
weekday after the times below, you'll be charged a peak pay as you go
fare, but your journey will count towards an Off-Peak cap instead of
Peak cap."

That touch in time for Chesham is given as "After 09:10"

But the next Chesham departure "After 09:10" is at 09:34 - when Off-Peak
applies to fares, anyway.

Am I missing something?

I don't think so.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/2014/0...eak-changes-2/

Many thanks, Paul. Just another example of Scrambled Oyster, then.

It's a legacy thing, harking back to when there was a train leaving
Chesham at some point between 09:10 and 09:30.

The timetable may change in the future.

On 19/07/2014 12:52, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
11:58:45 on Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Peter Able remarked:
"If you travel from a station north of Chorleywood or Hatch End on a
weekday after the times below, you'll be charged a peak pay as you go
fare, but your journey will count towards an Off-Peak cap instead
of Peak cap."

That touch in time for Chesham is given as "After 09:10"

But the next Chesham departure "After 09:10" is at 09:34 - when
Off-Peak applies to fares, anyway.

Am I missing something?

Maybe it's in case there's a timetable change some time in the
future and
a train timed at say 09.14 is introduced.

If you look at the relevant page, you can see that Chesham is in line
with
other outlying Met stations, that do have trains in the relevant period:

Station Time of Touch In
Chesham 09:10*
Amersham 09:10
Chalfont & Latimer 09:20
Chorleywood 09:15
Rickmansworth 09:20

* Warning: first train from Chesham is not until 0934. You are not
advised
to touch in before 0930 or you may be overcharged.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/peak-off-peak-and-caps/

It's a shame that TfL don't copy the above linked page's added content
(principally, the asterisked note) to their own page.

What is it about Chesham, and/or the unofficial site, which makes the
author think TfL won't honour their commitment after 9.10?

What commitment?

On 19/07/2014 12:53, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
11:55:58 on Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Peter Able remarked:
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but am I missing something
about Oyster capping?

"If you travel from a station north of Chorleywood or Hatch End on a
weekday after the times below, you'll be charged a peak pay as you go
fare, but your journey will count towards an Off-Peak cap instead of
Peak cap."

That touch in time for Chesham is given as "After 09:10"

But the next Chesham departure "After 09:10" is at 09:34 - when
Off-Peak applies to fares, anyway.

Am I missing something?

Maybe it's in case there's a timetable change some time in the future
and a train timed at say 09.14 is introduced.

Hopefully not. It has taken quite a write-in campaign to get TfL to
move what was the 0929 departure to 0934.

Is that for people travelling on paper tickets (where perhaps the rule
is still 0930?)

No, for everybody. Until the January 2014 change, the first departure
on which a cheap fare was available was the 0959, the preceding 0929
departure leaving ONE MINUTE too early to be charged at cheap rate.

What possible objection would there be to an additional train at 0914,
for Oyster users?

This would have to be the retimed 0910. There just isn't the track
capacity to insert another train. Perhaps another write-in campaign
could achieve this. The more significant event though was the retiming
of the 0929. I'm happy enough to be part of achieving that small
victory. (£5.60) saved on each London hospital visit!

At one time Chesham received a blanket concession whereby cheap fares
applied to the 0908. Those were the days ;-}}

PA

On 19/07/2014 12:52, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
If you look at the relevant page, you can see that Chesham is in
line with other outlying Met stations, that do have trains in the
relevant period:

Station Time of Touch In
Chesham 09:10*
Amersham 09:10
Chalfont & Latimer 09:20
Chorleywood 09:15
Rickmansworth 09:20

* Warning: first train from Chesham is not until 0934. You are not
advised
to touch in before 0930 or you may be overcharged.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/peak-off-peak-and-caps/

It's a shame that TfL don't copy the above linked page's added content
(principally, the asterisked note) to their own page.

What is it about Chesham, and/or the unofficial site, which makes the
author think TfL won't honour their commitment after 9.10?

I'm guessing the author of said site might be wary of the whole journey
'timing out' if a passenger touches in at 09:10 for an 09:34 train,
which might just possibly be a factor in a long journey?

That said, if that's the concern, the maximum journey times are fairly
generous:

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/oyster/using-oyster/maximum-journey-times

On 19/07/2014 18:14, Peter Able wrote:

On 19/07/2014 12:53, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
Maybe it's in case there's a timetable change some time in the future
and a train timed at say 09.14 is introduced.

Hopefully not. It has taken quite a write-in campaign to get TfL to
move what was the 0929 departure to 0934.

Is that for people travelling on paper tickets (where perhaps the rule
is still 0930?)

No, for everybody. Until the January 2014 change, the first departure
on which a cheap fare was available was the 0959, the preceding 0929
departure leaving ONE MINUTE too early to be charged at cheap rate.

Though the easement that allows Oyster PAYG users to benefit from being
eligible for the off-peak daily cap for journeys starting after 09:10
has existed for several years (2010 perhaps).

On 19/07/2014 17:11, Piatkow wrote:
But the next Chesham departure "After 09:10" is at 09:34 - when
Off-Peak applies to fares, anyway.

Am I missing something?

It allows people through the barriers rather than blocking the rather restricted booking hall. Although that does assume that people will be more concerned about the cap rather than the headline fare which I doubt.


Could be - although it isn't the busiest of stations. What you see
after 0910 at Chesham on a weekday morning is the majority going through
the barriers - and hence committing to pay the higher fare - and a
smaller number waiting for 0931 before passing through the barrier -
followed by the fag-puffers who've been out in the road! They then all
travel on the same train.

In the bad old days, everyone was permitted to use the 0908 at cheap
rate. Huh!


What possible objection would there be to an additional train at 0914,
for Oyster users?

Remember that the Chesham branch is single track and can only accomodate 2tph in each direction.

IIRC the times are determined by Chiltern wishing to avoid overcrowding on one of their "peak shoulder" services.

On 19/07/2014 18:26, Mizter T wrote:

On 19/07/2014 18:14, Peter Able wrote:

On 19/07/2014 12:53, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
Maybe it's in case there's a timetable change some time in the future
and a train timed at say 09.14 is introduced.

Hopefully not. It has taken quite a write-in campaign to get TfL to
move what was the 0929 departure to 0934.

Is that for people travelling on paper tickets (where perhaps the rule
is still 0930?)

No, for everybody. Until the January 2014 change, the first departure
on which a cheap fare was available was the 0959, the preceding 0929
departure leaving ONE MINUTE too early to be charged at cheap rate.

Though the easement that allows Oyster PAYG users to benefit from being
eligible for the off-peak daily cap for journeys starting after 09:10
has existed for several years (2010 perhaps).

Oh, indeed, but I think that it has been of net benefit to the
passengers to have the only relvant departure pushed back from 0929 to
0934. Perhaps the present 0910 could be pushed back the same amount to
make the 2010 concession meaningful again - but that's someone else's
write-in campaign ;-}}

PA

In message , at
18:02:26 on Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Peter Able
remarked:
What is it about Chesham, and/or the unofficial site, which makes the
author think TfL won't honour their commitment after 9.10?

What commitment?

The off-peak capping.
--
Roland Perry

On 19/07/2014 18:01, Mizter T wrote:

On 19/07/2014 08:57, Peter Able wrote:

[...]
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but am I missing something
about Oyster capping?

"If you travel from a station north of Chorleywood or Hatch End on a
weekday after the times below, you'll be charged a peak pay as you go
fare, but your journey will count towards an Off-Peak cap instead of
Peak cap."

That touch in time for Chesham is given as "After 09:10"

But the next Chesham departure "After 09:10" is at 09:34 - when
Off-Peak
applies to fares, anyway.

Am I missing something?

I don't think so.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/2014/0...eak-changes-2/

Many thanks, Paul. Just another example of Scrambled Oyster, then.

It's a legacy thing, harking back to when there was a train leaving
Chesham at some point between 09:10 and 09:30.

The timetable may change in the future.

I hope not. The immediately previous departure pattern - 0929 and 0959
was REALLY annoying.

Mind you, with the crazy regulation of late one regularly gets the fare
back. ;-}}

PA