In message , at 18:42:22
on Wed, 3 Sep 2014, remarked:
you go to Stansted to fly Ryanair (or
to a much lesser extent easyJet) to Europe.

It's certainly been increasingly dominated by Ryanair, who no doubt
make lots of money flying people back and forth to one horse towns in
Eastern Europe.

I think Krakow is a bit more than that. I found out tonight my daughter is
flying there from Stansted next month.

Obviously there are a few larger destinations, and Krakow is the one I'd
be most likely to use (as a stepping stone to somewhere just over the
border in .cz)
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Roland Perry

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:49:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
You still don't get it do you? Infrastructure needs to be *operated* as
well as built. Planes need servicing, fuelling, crewing and so on.
Without transit passengers, the number of flights at Heathrow (and thus
the revenue generated for the area) would be down by around a third. So
that's a third of both the direct and indirect workforce laid off.

Exactly. Thats all it is. A few airport/airline specific jobs whose benefit
to the country as a whole would be barely measurable. For the same money
thousands of startups could be invested in which in the long term would
generate far more revenue. And wouldn't **** off a million people with
noise and pollution.

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Spud

On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 16:49:14 +0100
Recliner wrote:
I think we know that Boltar doesn't get the concept of a hub airport.
He asks the same questions every time it comes up, but never reads the
answers. And unlike Mr Bell, he's rude with it.

When I see a proper answer I'll let you know.

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Spud

In message , at 15:42:47
on Wed, 3 Sep 2014, remarked:
I know that the Journey
Planners add a pessimistic connection time at Kings Cross, but the
headline figures are identical from Ely (not everyone lives in
Cambridge, you know!) For all I know the connection times at New
Street have similar pessimisms built in.

The trouble is that you are stuck with such idiocies when booking advance
tickets.

No advance tickets to Birmingham International from around here, so you
can arrange your own connection times with split tickets.
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Roland Perry

On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 11:35:29 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 02:24:12PM +0000, d wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
wrote:
If we see air travel as a necessity, even if that is an evil necessity,
Do we?
Yes. Taking society as a whole, yes we do. That you personally don't
isn't of any importance.
So you think if a survey was done asking whether air travel was a necessity
like food or water or public transport you think most people would answer
yes?

Of course not. It is, however, a necessity like private ownership of
cars and fast internet connections. That is, it is something that people
want to have available, and they want it enough that they get very
****ed off if it's not available.

There are different levels of needs.

Thats not a need , its a desire. Its not even in the same ballpark.

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Spud

In message , at 00:07:48 on Thu, 4 Sep
2014, Neil Williams remarked:
Yes, Virgin Trains, like Virgin Atlantic, is 51% Virgin, so Stagecoach is
definitely the minority partner. But if Virgin-Stagecoach wins the EC
franchise, that will be essentially Stagecoach (90%) with Virgin branding.

If they do it will be interesting to see the differences, if any,
noticeable between the two different management and ownership changes
of what will no doubt also be known as "Virgin Trains".

The "personality" of the ECML operation has changed very little since
privatisation so it would be interesting to see if it changed.

How much has XC mainline changed since Arriva took over (I've only used
XC-lite, the ex-Central Trains services, and they remain very much in
that rut).

Similarly the two halves of EMT very much inherited their former MML and
CT auras.
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Roland Perry

On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 11:35:29 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote:

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 02:24:12PM +0000, d wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
wrote:
If we see air travel as a necessity, even if that is an evil necessity,
Do we?
Yes. Taking society as a whole, yes we do. That you personally don't
isn't of any importance.
So you think if a survey was done asking whether air travel was a necessity
like food or water or public transport you think most people would answer
yes?

Of course not. It is, however, a necessity like private ownership of
cars and fast internet connections. That is, it is something that people
want to have available, and they want it enough that they get very
****ed off if it's not available.

There are different levels of needs.

The new, expanded 21st century version of Maslow's hierarchy of needs:
http://static.squarespace.com/static...14_revised.png

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:52:57PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:

Stansted already is an airport you go to if you want a LCC to Europe,

What on earth is a LCC?

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David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig

Do not be afraid of cooking, as your ingredients will know and misbehave
-- Fergus Henderson

On 2014-09-04 11:25:50 +0000, David Cantrell said:

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:52:57PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:

Stansted already is an airport you go to if you want a LCC to Europe,

What on earth is a LCC?

A Low Cost Carrier, e.g. Ryanair, easyJet, Jet2, Wizz etc.

Neil
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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:11:30PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-09-03 12:41:52 +0000, David Cantrell said:
If you lived in, for example, Hastings, which airport would you prefer
to go to? Obviously Gatwick, yet Hastings is neither near Victoria or a
Thameslink station.
There are modes of transport other than trains.

True. By any other mode of transport Gatwick would still be preferable
to Heathrow for people from a very large part of the south east.

Luton and Stansted

I was specifically talking about Heathrow and Gatwick and the places
from which one is preferable to t'other.

are
mainly reached by car and taxi, and serve a wide area of the Home
Counties and East Anglia as such.

It doesn't matter how they're reached. Almost all places from where
Gatwick is preferable to Heathrow, Gatwick is also preferable to Luton
and Stansted. The exceptions being places on the Thameslink line north
of, roughly, Blackfriars.

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David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club"

Do not be afraid of cooking, as your ingredients will know and misbehave
-- Fergus Henderson