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On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 15:23:53 +0100
JNugent wrote: On 04/09/2014 12:10, d wrote: Thats not a need , its a desire. Its not even in the same ballpark. Needs - in the sense implied by what you say - are very basic and are satisfied by a medieval economy. That really can't be what you mean, but it's what you are saying. There needs to be a balance of desires against consequences. Currently wrt air travel its baised way too far to the former. I'm not saying ban air travel but I am saying that the presumption that constant growth must always trump anything else is ********. There are enough aircraft flying into and through the southeast already. If the air industry isn't satisfied with that then tough ****. Screw them. When if ever there are street protests and riots about people not being able to book a last minute break to Ayia Napa for a hundred quid I might change my mind. But somehow I don't see that happening. -- Spud |
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 21:18:00 +0100
Neil Williams wrote: On 2014-09-04 16:33:29 +0000, d said: When if ever there are street protests and riots about people not being able to book a last minute break to Ayia Napa for a hundred quid I might change my mind. But somehow I don't see that happening. People aren't taking those kinds of holiday from Heathrow. They're going with the orange and blue teams from Luton, Stansted and Gatwick, and all three have spare capacity already. So Heathrow expansion has nothing to do with cheap holidays in the sun (or cheap anything). That was in response to it being suggested that flying is a necessity. It might be for the military and a few other assorted professions, but for the average person in the street it is not and with video conferencing now pretty good neither is it for business a lot of the time. Anyway , plenty of flights to north america leave from heathrow no doubt with a lot of tourists on board. -- Spud |
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On 05/09/2014 09:21, d wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 21:18:00 +0100 Neil Williams wrote: On 2014-09-04 16:33:29 +0000, d said: When if ever there are street protests and riots about people not being able to book a last minute break to Ayia Napa for a hundred quid I might change my mind. But somehow I don't see that happening. People aren't taking those kinds of holiday from Heathrow. They're going with the orange and blue teams from Luton, Stansted and Gatwick, and all three have spare capacity already. So Heathrow expansion has nothing to do with cheap holidays in the sun (or cheap anything). That was in response to it being suggested that flying is a necessity. It might be for the military and a few other assorted professions, but for the average person in the street it is not and with video conferencing now pretty good neither is it for business a lot of the time. Anyway , plenty of flights to north america leave from heathrow no doubt with a lot of tourists on board. The obvious innocent retort would be to ask whereabouts in the USA Ayia Napa is. But you raise an interesting point. I can travel to Europe by train or by car. NL is fairly cheap by car (part of the cheapness being avoidance of the need to hire a car locally), but Italy is expensive in time and in fuel, tolls, overnight stay en-route, etc. OTOH, how do I get to the USA or Canada (let's not even mention the Antipodes) except by flying? Or is it your thesis that because you don't accept that I need to go to those places (on your own definition of "need"), nothing should be done which might facilitate my getting there? |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 14:16:48 +0100, JNugent
wrote: On 05/09/2014 09:21, d wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 21:18:00 +0100 Neil Williams wrote: On 2014-09-04 16:33:29 +0000, d said: When if ever there are street protests and riots about people not being able to book a last minute break to Ayia Napa for a hundred quid I might change my mind. But somehow I don't see that happening. People aren't taking those kinds of holiday from Heathrow. They're going with the orange and blue teams from Luton, Stansted and Gatwick, and all three have spare capacity already. So Heathrow expansion has nothing to do with cheap holidays in the sun (or cheap anything). That was in response to it being suggested that flying is a necessity. It might be for the military and a few other assorted professions, but for the average person in the street it is not and with video conferencing now pretty good neither is it for business a lot of the time. Anyway , plenty of flights to north america leave from heathrow no doubt with a lot of tourists on board. The obvious innocent retort would be to ask whereabouts in the USA Ayia Napa is. But you raise an interesting point. I can travel to Europe by train or by car. NL is fairly cheap by car (part of the cheapness being avoidance of the need to hire a car locally), but Italy is expensive in time and in fuel, tolls, overnight stay en-route, etc. OTOH, how do I get to the USA or Canada (let's not even mention the Antipodes) except by flying? Or is it your thesis that because you don't accept that I need to go to those places (on your own definition of "need"), nothing should be done which might facilitate my getting there? I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. |
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![]() On 05/09/2014 15:26, Recliner wrote: [...] I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. It's hardly a wondrous gift for the environment though. |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:26:20 +0100
Recliner wrote: I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it Who said anything about a fear of flying? Though it is the most miserable and unpleasent way to travel long distance this side of a NEx bus. by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. Its a bad idea for the enviroment. -- Spud |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 14:16:48 +0100
JNugent wrote: OTOH, how do I get to the USA or Canada (let's not even mention the Antipodes) except by flying? Or is it your thesis that because you don't accept that I need to go to those places (on your own definition of "need"), nothing should be done which might facilitate my getting there? Well personally I couldn't care less if you could get there or not. But what I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights. If that means people can't go to New York or Ibiza or wherever the next day then thats just too bad. Only children expect to get what they want straight away. Society is infantilised enough already. -- Spud |
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