On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 14:16:48 +0100
JNugent wrote:
OTOH, how do I get to the USA or Canada (let's not even mention the
Antipodes) except by flying?

Or is it your thesis that because you don't accept that I need to go to
those places (on your own definition of "need"), nothing should be done
which might facilitate my getting there?

Well personally I couldn't care less if you could get there or not. But what
I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights. If that means people can't
go to New York or Ibiza or wherever the next day then thats just too bad.
Only children expect to get what they want straight away. Society is
infantilised enough already.

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Spud

On 05/09/2014 20:05, d wrote:

JNugent wrote:

OTOH, how do I get to the USA or Canada (let's not even mention the
Antipodes) except by flying?
Or is it your thesis that because you don't accept that I need to go to
those places (on your own definition of "need"), nothing should be done
which might facilitate my getting there?

Well personally I couldn't care less if you could get there or not.

That's OK. I don't expect you (or anyone else equally unimportant* to
me) to care about that.

But neither do i expect you to be allowed to hinder me, as, in fact, I
don't expect that even you think that you ought to be allowed to hinder
others.

But what
I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights.

Why?

If that means people can't
go to New York or Ibiza or wherever the next day then thats just too bad.

The market takes care of that. An immediate ticket LHR - JFK costs a LOT
of money (more than I'd care to pay).

Only children expect to get what they want straight away. Society is
infantilised enough already.

You say that people travelling at short notice to the places they wish
to travel to are childish, do you?

I assume you exempt yourself from that.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 01:14:39 +0100
JNugent wrote:
On 05/09/2014 20:05, d wrote:
But what
I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights.

Why?

Are you unable to read or just stupid? Try and figure it out from previous
posts.

If that means people can't
go to New York or Ibiza or wherever the next day then thats just too bad.

The market takes care of that. An immediate ticket LHR - JFK costs a LOT
of money (more than I'd care to pay).

Like the market took care of acid rain, NOx in car exhaust, DDT etc?

The market is merely the result of individual self interest. Sometimes that
self interest needs to be tempered in the interests of everyone as a whole.

Only children expect to get what they want straight away. Society is
infantilised enough already.

You say that people travelling at short notice to the places they wish
to travel to are childish, do you?

If its simply for recreation then I'm saying people who get ****ed off because
they can't are, yes.

I assume you exempt yourself from that.

Yup.

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Spud

On 06/09/2014 21:21, d wrote:

JNugent wrote:
d wrote:

But what I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights.

Why?

Are you unable to read or just stupid?

Neither of those.

Try and figure it out from previous posts.

Why?

Are you unable to justify your desire to prevent others from living
their lives as they wish and to force them to be like you?

If that means people can't
go to New York or Ibiza or wherever the next day then thats just too bad.

The market takes care of that. An immediate ticket LHR - JFK costs a LOT
of money (more than I'd care to pay).

Like the market took care of acid rain, NOx in car exhaust, DDT etc?

Those things are not subject to market pressures so you wouldn't expect
the market to "deal" with them. Not if you have any common sense, at least.

Do you actually know anything about economics?

The market is merely the result of individual self interest.

Correct.

Sometimes that self interest needs to be tempered in the
interests of everyone as a whole.

And you should be the temperer, right?

Only children expect to get what they want straight away. Society is
infantilised enough already.

You say that people travelling at short notice to the places they wish
to travel to are childish, do you?

If its simply for recreation then I'm saying people who get ****ed off because
they can't are, yes.

But they *can*, if they are prepared to pay the spot price.

I assume you exempt yourself from that.

Yup.

Right.

On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 22:22:15 +0100
JNugent wrote:
On 06/09/2014 21:21, d wrote:

JNugent wrote:
d wrote:

But what I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights.

Why?

Are you unable to read or just stupid?

Neither of those.

And yet...


Try and figure it out from previous posts.

Why?

Well you see , the point of a post is so you can read it and the point
doesn't have to be made again for people too stupid to understand it
first time.

Are you unable to justify your desire to prevent others from living
their lives as they wish and to force them to be like you?

Everyone living their lives exactly the way they want with no regards to
anyone else is whats known as anarchy.

Like the market took care of acid rain, NOx in car exhaust, DDT etc?

Those things are not subject to market pressures so you wouldn't expect
the market to "deal" with them. Not if you have any common sense, at least.

Oh, well do explain how aircraft noise and pollution is subject to market
pressures then.

Do you actually know anything about economics?

Somewhat more than you apparently.

Sometimes that self interest needs to be tempered in the
interests of everyone as a whole.

And you should be the temperer, right?

Why not? Who should do it, you with your screw everyone else, I'm alright jack
attitude?

--
Spud

wrote:
On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 22:22:15 +0100
JNugent wrote:
On 06/09/2014 21:21, d wrote:

JNugent wrote:
d wrote:

But what I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights.

Why?

Are you unable to read or just stupid?

Neither of those.

And yet...


Try and figure it out from previous posts.

Why?

Well you see , the point of a post is so you can read it and the point
doesn't have to be made again for people too stupid to understand it
first time.

Are you unable to justify your desire to prevent others from living
their lives as they wish and to force them to be like you?

Everyone living their lives exactly the way they want with no regards to
anyone else is whats known as anarchy.

Like the market took care of acid rain, NOx in car exhaust, DDT etc?

Those things are not subject to market pressures so you wouldn't expect
the market to "deal" with them. Not if you have any common sense, at least.

Oh, well do explain how aircraft noise and pollution is subject to market
pressures then.

Do you actually know anything about economics?

Somewhat more than you apparently.

Sometimes that self interest needs to be tempered in the
interests of everyone as a whole.

And you should be the temperer, right?

Why not? Who should do it, you with your screw everyone else, I'm alright jack
attitude?


Boltar, the eco-warrior! Who would have believed it?

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 03:21:18 -0500
Recliner wrote:
Boltar, the eco-warrior! Who would have believed it?

Not really. But I spent 6 months working right next door to heathrow and
it was bad enough just being there 9-6. For the residents it must be a
****ing nightmare. Only utterly selfish ****s would wish more aircraft
in the skys just so they can visit disneyworld in florida next week on a
whim or wherever.

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Spud

On 08/09/2014 09:02, d wrote:

JNugent wrote:
d wrote:
JNugent wrote:
d wrote:

But what I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights.

Why?

Are you unable to read or just stupid?

Neither of those.

And yet...

Try and figure it out from previous posts.

Why?

Well you see , the point of a post is so you can read it and the point
doesn't have to be made again for people too stupid to understand it
first time.

Your previous posts in this thread do not explain where you got this
idea that your desires and wishes are more important than those of others.

Or perhaps you could reference the post which contained justification
(if justification it is)?

Are you unable to justify your desire to prevent others from living
their lives as they wish and to force them to be like you?

Everyone living their lives exactly the way they want with no regards to
anyone else is whats known as anarchy.

Your living your life exactly the way you want to and preventing others
from living theirs as they wish to is known as sociopathy.

At the very least, you need to demonstrate that your rights are superior
to everyone else's.

It's probably best for others not to hold their breath waiting for that,
though.

Like the market took care of acid rain, NOx in car exhaust, DDT etc?

Those things are not subject to market pressures so you wouldn't expect
the market to "deal" with them. Not if you have any common sense, at least.

Oh, well do explain how aircraft noise and pollution is subject to market
pressures then.

They aren't.

They are subject to legislation.

Legislation is not the market, though it can have the effect of looking
like it.

Do you actually know anything about economics?

Somewhat more than you apparently.

Hardly.

Sometimes that self interest needs to be tempered in the
interests of everyone as a whole.

And you should be the temperer, right?

Why not?

Well, at least you're consistent in your megalomania.

Who should do it,

Everyone should do it for themselves individually, the aggregate of
their wishes and actions being known as "the market".

I thought you claimed to *know* about economics?

you with your screw everyone else, I'm alright jack attitude?

You are, of course, describing your own, utterly selfish and
self-centred attitude there. You don't want to fly and so you see no
reason why others should.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:57:16 +0100
JNugent wrote:
On 08/09/2014 09:02, d wrote:
Well you see , the point of a post is so you can read it and the point
doesn't have to be made again for people too stupid to understand it
first time.

Your previous posts in this thread do not explain where you got this
idea that your desires and wishes are more important than those of others.

Ah, he we go - the flip it routine. Pretend your stance is mine. Do try
harder.

Everyone living their lives exactly the way they want with no regards to
anyone else is whats known as anarchy.

Your living your life exactly the way you want to and preventing others
from living theirs as they wish to is known as sociopathy.

See above.

At the very least, you need to demonstrate that your rights are superior
to everyone else's.

Odd that because you seem to be of the attitude that "I want to fly and should
be allowed to fly whenever I want where I want because thats more important
than ANY other consideration". Right?

Oh, well do explain how aircraft noise and pollution is subject to market
pressures then.

They aren't.

They are subject to legislation.

Legislation is not the market, though it can have the effect of looking

Oh well done, at least you have half a clue. Now do you think that legislation
would have come about if left purely to the market? No, I don't think so.

Hardly.

LOL. Ok, if you say so )

Who should do it,

Everyone should do it for themselves individually, the aggregate of
their wishes and actions being known as "the market".

The market has its place, but it needs to be managed. Give it free reign
and there's chaos.

I thought you claimed to *know* about economics?

You might want to revisit the last few years wrt the banks to understand where
an essentially unregulated market eventually ends up.

you with your screw everyone else, I'm alright jack attitude?

You are, of course, describing your own, utterly selfish and
self-centred attitude there. You don't want to fly and so you see no
reason why others should.

Care to repost where I said that?

Oh, thats right, I didn't.

All I'm saying is the number of flights should be limited, not left to the
market because enviromental considerations in this case are more important.

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Spud