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TheOneKEA wrote:
I was at Stratford Station today and noticed something very
distressing: the lack of a second gateline between the Central Line/NR
platforms and the Jubilee Line platforms means that Pre-Pay users who
don't see the validators on the Central Line platforms (there aren't
very many and they're not easy to find) will mis-validate when they
try to pass the gateline to get to the Jubilee Line. Even stranger is
that there appears to be no obvious way to reach the Jubilee Line
platforms from the street without passing the entrance gateline and
the Jubilee Line and mis-validating again.

Is this a known issue or has no one simply noticed?

I don't know when they started to plan Oyster, but the gateline layout
at Stratford dates from about 1996 (from memory). Originally there was
only going to be the one gateline in the new Concourse - that guarding
the Jubilee Line. The old station entrance (to the east of the
concourse) had no gateline or even proper ticket barriers.

Does this mean that before Jubilee Line services terminated at
Stratford it was possible to reach the Central Line, the DLR and the
mainline platforms without actually possessing a valid ticket?
Fascinating.


It was then decided to install the one guarding ALL the lines. We had
to add the gateline to the drawings, and more importantly from our
point-of-view, the additional accommodation for the additional ticket
offices and machines at the eastern end of the station.

When the station opened there was a major revenue operation mounted.
That was when they realised the number of people who had been
travelling without tickets. Many of them got quite offended when
confronted by a gateline!!

I'm sure that would have been quite amusing to the TfL staff who were
placed on duty there to catch the fare dodgers.

Thank you for explaining the rationale behind the rather unusual
setup, which answers my first question, but it doesn't answer my
second question: how do you get from the street to the Jubilee Line
with a Pre-Pay Oyster without mis-validating?


John Haines
Design Manager for Hyder Consulting for the Stratford Concourse project.

Brad

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I don't know when they started to plan Oyster, but the gateline
layout at Stratford dates from about 1996 (from memory). Originally
there was only going to be the one gateline in the new Concourse -
that guarding the Jubilee Line. The old station entrance (to the
east of the concourse) had no gateline or even proper ticket
barriers.

Does this mean that before Jubilee Line services terminated at
Stratford it was possible to reach the Central Line, the DLR and the
mainline platforms without actually possessing a valid ticket?
Fascinating.

Yes.

Originally there was only funding (from LUL) for the western half -
approximately the western 2/3rds of the current Concourse. The Jubilee
line gateline was part of this scheme but it would not have provided a
new entrance. The old entrance and linking tunnel from the shopping
centre, which looked a bit like entering a public toilet (mostly
subterranean and white tiled) would have stayed.

Funding for the eastern half, mainly from Newham, was in place just in
time to start construction with a single unified design.

Part of the design brief was to produce a structure which could be
extended. This concept, although rendered unnecessary, was too far
embedded to change. The whole roof structure, including the front
truss, is basically a kit of parts connected together with bolts. Even
the front concrete piers are bolted down (and then the pocket filled
with concrete).

The Architects we worked with, then called Chris Wilkinson Architects,
now Wilkinson Eyre Architects, went on to win the Sterling prize for
architecture two years running - Magna and the Gateshead millennium
bridge. (- and if that's not the way to spell the m word, blame my
spell checker).

John Haines

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Originally there was only funding (from LUL) for the western half
- approximately the western 2/3rds of the current Concourse. The
Jubilee line gateline was part of this scheme but it would not
have provided a new entrance. The old entrance and linking tunnel
from the shopping centre, which looked a bit like entering a
public toilet (mostly subterranean and white tiled) would have
stayed.

The closure of the subway to the station from the shopping centre is
the only part of the design that I don't like. It's a shame they had to
do that although I suppose it's much better than keeping the original
entrance which was not nice at all.

--
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The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC!

Crime is confusing.

Robin May wrote:

The closure of the subway to the station from the shopping centre is
the only part of the design that I don't like. It's a shame they had to
do that although I suppose it's much better than keeping the original
entrance which was not nice at all.

I find that it effects an active darwinian selection mechansim - the odd
hurried fleet-footed people seem to cross whenever there's a slight gap in
the traffic, and about 50 dazed shopping-laden people barely consciously
follow like sheep into the slaughter, irrespective of the state of the not
very visible green person.

--
Ian Tindale

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May wrote:
John Haines wrote the following in:


Originally there was only funding (from LUL) for the western half -
approximately the western 2/3rds of the current Concourse. The
Jubilee line gateline was part of this scheme but it would not have
provided a new entrance. The old entrance and linking tunnel from
the shopping centre, which looked a bit like entering a public
toilet (mostly subterranean and white tiled) would have stayed.

The closure of the subway to the station from the shopping centre is
the only part of the design that I don't like. It's a shame they had
to do that although I suppose it's much better than keeping the
original entrance which was not nice at all.

It blocked access to what is now the taxi area at the eastern end of
the Concourse.
It was also regarded as a security problem.

John Haines