On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:32:45 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:17:59 +0100, David Walters
wrote:

There also appears to be a small model:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/15496258746

Thanks for promoting my photo. ;-)

I finally got round to going to this little display (somewhat
overshadowed by the larger, brighter cupcake stand next to it), and
took a few close-up pics of my own. Obviously I know that this isn't a
scale model of an actual proposed train, but just from a firm of
designers, but I had a few observations on the model, FWIW:

This pic seems to confirm the absence of a driver's cab:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/15464378918/

The attendant is shown in the passenger saloon.

This is supposed to be a Heathrow-bound Piccadilly Line train, but I
see no space for luggage:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/15464554657/

Also, it doesn't have the standard Tube livery. I wonder if this is
just the designers indulging themselves, or is TfL contemplating a new
livery for the new trains?

And again, recognising that this is just an indicative model and not
an engineering scale model, the windows are bigger than in other
recent Tube trains, though not as big as the 92TS. I hope the real
ones follow through on this

The trains will also have level access from platforms. From the video,
it looks like this is planned to be achieved mainly by raising
platforms, though I wonder if the train floors will also be lower?

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:00:23 +0000
Recliner wrote:
The trains will also have level access from platforms. From the video,
it looks like this is planned to be achieved mainly by raising
platforms, though I wonder if the train floors will also be lower?

If they lower the train floors then they'll be ****ed on curved platforms
unless they reduce the width of the floor as per S stock which is a really
poor design decision for a packed tube train which needs all the standing
room it can get.

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Spud

On 28.10.14 14:00, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:32:45 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:17:59 +0100, David Walters
wrote:

There also appears to be a small model:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/15496258746

Thanks for promoting my photo. ;-)

I finally got round to going to this little display (somewhat
overshadowed by the larger, brighter cupcake stand next to it), and
took a few close-up pics of my own. Obviously I know that this isn't a
scale model of an actual proposed train, but just from a firm of
designers, but I had a few observations on the model, FWIW:

This pic seems to confirm the absence of a driver's cab:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/15464378918/


Perhaps that's just one end of the rolling stock?

The attendant is shown in the passenger saloon.

This is supposed to be a Heathrow-bound Piccadilly Line train, but I
see no space for luggage:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/15464554657/

Early days. It really does, however, look like at 38TS Mk II

Also, it doesn't have the standard Tube livery. I wonder if this is
just the designers indulging themselves, or is TfL contemplating a new
livery for the new trains?

Indulgence, I'm guessing.

Where are the wine pictures from, BTW? I myself am partial to Rioja.

" wrote:
On 28.10.14 14:00, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:32:45 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:17:59 +0100, David Walters
wrote:

There also appears to be a small model:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/15496258746

Thanks for promoting my photo. ;-)

I finally got round to going to this little display (somewhat
overshadowed by the larger, brighter cupcake stand next to it), and
took a few close-up pics of my own. Obviously I know that this isn't a
scale model of an actual proposed train, but just from a firm of
designers, but I had a few observations on the model, FWIW:

This pic seems to confirm the absence of a driver's cab:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/15464378918/


Perhaps that's just one end of the rolling stock?

It's the driving end.

The attendant is shown in the passenger saloon.

This is supposed to be a Heathrow-bound Piccadilly Line train, but I
see no space for luggage:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/15464554657/

Early days. It really does, however, look like at 38TS Mk II

Also, it doesn't have the standard Tube livery. I wonder if this is
just the designers indulging themselves, or is TfL contemplating a new
livery for the new trains?

Indulgence, I'm guessing.

They were commissioned by TfL, so it would be odd that they seemingly
ignored TfL's current livery.

Where are the wine pictures from, BTW? I myself am partial to Rioja.

Bodegas Marqués de Riscal, Laguardia.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57648985426411

On 28/10/2014 20:30, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Also, it doesn't have the standard Tube livery. I wonder if this is
just the designers indulging themselves, or is TfL contemplating a new
livery for the new trains?

Indulgence, I'm guessing.

They were commissioned by TfL, so it would be odd that they seemingly
ignored TfL's current livery.

I think that's reading far too much into it. This is an embryonic
design... I haven't given it a great deal of thought, but I share Paul
C's concerns that this feels a bit too much like the New Bus for London
design process - the last thing that's needed at the end of this is a
hobbled train as the result of some fancy conceptual design.

(On the specific issue of a livery - that shouldn't be important,
certainly not at this stage. Perhaps the designs concepts should all
come with a lurid pink and brown livery, to prove that very point.)

On 28.10.14 20:30, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 28.10.14 14:00, Recliner wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:32:45 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:17:59 +0100, David Walters
wrote:

There also appears to be a small model:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/15496258746

Thanks for promoting my photo. ;-)

I finally got round to going to this little display (somewhat
overshadowed by the larger, brighter cupcake stand next to it), and
took a few close-up pics of my own. Obviously I know that this isn't a
scale model of an actual proposed train, but just from a firm of
designers, but I had a few observations on the model, FWIW:

This pic seems to confirm the absence of a driver's cab:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/15464378918/


Perhaps that's just one end of the rolling stock?

It's the driving end.

Noted.


The attendant is shown in the passenger saloon.

This is supposed to be a Heathrow-bound Piccadilly Line train, but I
see no space for luggage:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/15464554657/

Early days. It really does, however, look like at 38TS Mk II

Also, it doesn't have the standard Tube livery. I wonder if this is
just the designers indulging themselves, or is TfL contemplating a new
livery for the new trains?

Indulgence, I'm guessing.

They were commissioned by TfL, so it would be odd that they seemingly
ignored TfL's current livery.

I don't know, then.


Where are the wine pictures from, BTW? I myself am partial to Rioja.

Bodegas Marqués de Riscal, Laguardia.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57648985426411

It's probably one of my favourite wines, though I am by far no connoiseur.

Mizter T wrote:
On 28/10/2014 20:30, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Also, it doesn't have the standard Tube livery. I wonder if this is
just the designers indulging themselves, or is TfL contemplating a new
livery for the new trains?

Indulgence, I'm guessing.

They were commissioned by TfL, so it would be odd that they seemingly
ignored TfL's current livery.

I think that's reading far too much into it. This is an embryonic
design... I haven't given it a great deal of thought, but I share Paul
C's concerns that this feels a bit too much like the New Bus for London
design process - the last thing that's needed at the end of this is a
hobbled train as the result of some fancy conceptual design.

(On the specific issue of a livery - that shouldn't be important,
certainly not at this stage. Perhaps the designs concepts should all come
with a lurid pink and brown livery, to prove that very point.)

But this was a visual design study, which was all about having authentic
seat moquettes, floors, etc. The model and video are about the look of the
train, not the as-yet-undesigned engineering. For that, we'll have to wait
for the manufacturers' mock-ups.

On 2014-10-28 17:21:21 +0000, d said:

If they lower the train floors then they'll be ****ed on curved platforms
unless they reduce the width of the floor as per S stock which is a really
poor design decision for a packed tube train which needs all the standing
room it can get.

You seem about the only person I have spoken to that has anything other
than trivial dislikes about the S-Stock. To me it is so much better
than what went before that it is very difficult to criticise it.

Neil
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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-28 17:21:21 +0000, d said:

If they lower the train floors then they'll be ****ed on curved platforms
unless they reduce the width of the floor as per S stock which is a really
poor design decision for a packed tube train which needs all the standing
room it can get.

You seem about the only person I have spoken to that has anything other
than trivial dislikes about the S-Stock. To me it is so much better than
what went before that it is very difficult to criticise it.

Yes, I agree -- I think they're great, whether packed or with empty seats.
A huge improvement on the C Stock and a generally big improvement on the A
stock, apart from for the long distance commuters from Amersham and
Chesham, who've both lost out.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 09:26:24 +0000
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-28 17:21:21 +0000, d said:

If they lower the train floors then they'll be ****ed on curved platforms
unless they reduce the width of the floor as per S stock which is a really
poor design decision for a packed tube train which needs all the standing
room it can get.

You seem about the only person I have spoken to that has anything other
than trivial dislikes about the S-Stock. To me it is so much better
than what went before that it is very difficult to criticise it.

I don't have a problem with them other than the idiotic decision to lower
the floor which makes the carriage narrower at the doors and the doors an odd
and difficult shape to lean against. Now you might not think that a problem
but then I suspect you don't commute on them in the central london rush hour.

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Spud