On 2014-10-13 09:50:43 +0000, d said:

I can't see how they're going to manage that unless they make the car narrower
at floor level S stock style. If they don't then the floor will foul a lot of
curved platforms. I can't see people being thrilled about leaning against a
door curved at the top AND the bottom.

Unless you're about 4' tall you can't lean against the door such that
that would be the case.

Neil
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On 13/10/2014 01:31, wrote:

On 13.10.14 1:20, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Maybe it'll be like the DLR, with driver's control panels, but not a
separated cab? But I think the mock-up does have a cab, contrary to
Boris's claims.

Where is the mock-up anyway, and how long will it be there for?

On a computer. For as long as someone keeps a copy of the file.

On 13.10.14 12:20, Mizter T wrote:

On 13/10/2014 01:31, wrote:

On 13.10.14 1:20, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Maybe it'll be like the DLR, with driver's control panels, but not a
separated cab? But I think the mock-up does have a cab, contrary to
Boris's claims.

Where is the mock-up anyway, and how long will it be there for?

On a computer. For as long as someone keeps a copy of the file.


Got it.

I wonder when and where they plan to do a proper mock up. Hopefully it
won't be in such a far and remote location as last time.

" wrote:
On 13.10.14 12:20, Mizter T wrote:

On 13/10/2014 01:31, wrote:

On 13.10.14 1:20, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Maybe it'll be like the DLR, with driver's control panels, but not a
separated cab? But I think the mock-up does have a cab, contrary to
Boris's claims.

Where is the mock-up anyway, and how long will it be there for?

On a computer. For as long as someone keeps a copy of the file.


Got it.

I wonder when and where they plan to do a proper mock up. Hopefully it
won't be in such a far and remote location as last time.

This mock-up was commissioned by TfL from a design consultancy, whereas the
previous one was a speculative pre-emptive Siemens effort. I don't know if
the other short-listed bidders will now come up with their own physical or
virtual mock-ups, too.

On 13.10.14 10:54, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-13 09:01:28 +0000, Recliner said:

True, but they needed to access doors on both sides in the days before
video monitors. They also had to step out on curved platforms to see the
whole train. None of that is needed today. In fact, door closing
could be
automated or controlled remotely, with the PSA providing a manual
override
if needed (eg, if a wheel chair is being rolled on). After all, we're
all
used to using automatic lifts, where the doors close automatically (with
override buttons), and a train is really just a horizontal lift.

A train is a horizontal lift that runs to a timetable. The timetable
would end up in tatters as people who couldn't fit squeezed on, and the
doors wouldn't close, and doors were held all over the place.

Neil

A couple of stations on the St. Petersburg Metro, such as Mayakovskaya,
have PEDs, which I have heard that the locals refer to as horizontal lifts.

They are much grander than what we see here in Western Europe, however.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...yakovskaya.jpg

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:55:14 +0100
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-13 09:50:43 +0000, d said:

I can't see how they're going to manage that unless they make the car
narrower
at floor level S stock style. If they don't then the floor will foul a lot of
curved platforms. I can't see people being thrilled about leaning against a
door curved at the top AND the bottom.

Unless you're about 4' tall you can't lean against the door such that
that would be the case.

I'm sure some people could manage, but the point is that it would reduce the
amount of standing room. In the rush hour its awkward to stand next to the
doors in S stock, I really hope they don't make the same mistake with the new
tube stock.

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Spud

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:20:06 +0100, Mizter T wrote:

On 13/10/2014 01:31, wrote:

On 13.10.14 1:20, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Maybe it'll be like the DLR, with driver's control panels, but not a
separated cab? But I think the mock-up does have a cab, contrary to
Boris's claims.

Where is the mock-up anyway, and how long will it be there for?

On a computer. For as long as someone keeps a copy of the file.

There also appears to be a small model:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/15496258746

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/medi...ondon-revealed

'The New Tube for London exhibition is at King's Cross St Pancras
Underground station, Northern ticket hall, from Thursday 9 October until
Sunday 16 November.'

On 2014-10-13 12:17:19 +0000, d said:

I'm sure some people could manage, but the point is that it would reduce the
amount of standing room. In the rush hour its awkward to stand next to the
doors in S stock

I don't find that. In general, indeed, I find myself picking at little
things to find anything to criticise about the S-stock. It's made me
go from avoiding the shallow Tube to actively choosing it, if there is
a viable choice.

Neil
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Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-13 12:17:19 +0000, d said:

I'm sure some people could manage, but the point is that it would reduce the
amount of standing room. In the rush hour its awkward to stand next to the
doors in S stock

I don't find that. In general, indeed, I find myself picking at little
things to find anything to criticise about the S-stock. It's made me go
from avoiding the shallow Tube to actively choosing it, if there is a viable choice.

Yes, I'm a fan if the S stock, too. They seem very smooth, quiet trains as
they speed along the Met, and I've even got to tolerating the hard seats.
So very different to the ear-splitting compressors and lurching suspension
on the A stock.

On 13.10.14 14:11, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-13 12:17:19 +0000, d said:

I'm sure some people could manage, but the point is that it would
reduce the
amount of standing room. In the rush hour its awkward to stand next to
the
doors in S stock

I don't find that. In general, indeed, I find myself picking at little
things to find anything to criticise about the S-stock. It's made me go
from avoiding the shallow Tube to actively choosing it, if there is a
viable choice.

Neil

I think that they constructed the doors like that for the exact purpose
of preventing crowding around them, thus allowing quicker boarding and
alighting, thus allowing for lower dwell times when the starters are in
your favour.