On 13.10.14 14:22, Recliner wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-13 12:17:19 +0000, d said:

I'm sure some people could manage, but the point is that it would reduce the
amount of standing room. In the rush hour its awkward to stand next to the
doors in S stock

I don't find that. In general, indeed, I find myself picking at little
things to find anything to criticise about the S-stock. It's made me go
from avoiding the shallow Tube to actively choosing it, if there is a viable choice.

Yes, I'm a fan if the S stock, too. They seem very smooth, quiet trains as
they speed along the Met, and I've even got to tolerating the hard seats.
So very different to the ear-splitting compressors and lurching suspension
on the A stock.

That was part of the experience, though.

On 13.10.14 13:17, David Walters wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:20:06 +0100, Mizter T wrote:

On 13/10/2014 01:31, wrote:

On 13.10.14 1:20, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Maybe it'll be like the DLR, with driver's control panels, but not a
separated cab? But I think the mock-up does have a cab, contrary to
Boris's claims.

Where is the mock-up anyway, and how long will it be there for?

On a computer. For as long as someone keeps a copy of the file.

There also appears to be a small model:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/15496258746

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/medi...ondon-revealed

'The New Tube for London exhibition is at King's Cross St Pancras
Underground station, Northern ticket hall, from Thursday 9 October until
Sunday 16 November.'

I see. I was hoping that they had a mock-up to scale. I'm sure that will
happen, though no time soon.

On 2014-10-13 13:51:54 +0000, said:

That was part of the experience, though.

It was, but just like buses, I would ride on an original Routemaster
for the experience, but on a daily basis I'd like something more
comfortable.

Neil
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On 13.10.14 13:17, David Walters wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:20:06 +0100, Mizter T wrote:

On 13/10/2014 01:31, wrote:

On 13.10.14 1:20, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Maybe it'll be like the DLR, with driver's control panels, but not a
separated cab? But I think the mock-up does have a cab, contrary to
Boris's claims.

Where is the mock-up anyway, and how long will it be there for?

On a computer. For as long as someone keeps a copy of the file.

There also appears to be a small model:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/15496258746

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/medi...ondon-revealed

'The New Tube for London exhibition is at King's Cross St Pancras
Underground station, Northern ticket hall, from Thursday 9 October until
Sunday 16 November.'

I see. I was hoping that they had a mock-up to scale. I'm sure that will
happen, though no time soon.

Siemens did, but TfL's own design mock-up doesn't. The final chosen design
will probably have a full-size mock-up, of course to show Londoners what's
coming.

On 13.10.14 15:14, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 13.10.14 13:17, David Walters wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:20:06 +0100, Mizter T wrote:

On 13/10/2014 01:31, wrote:

On 13.10.14 1:20, Recliner wrote:
[...]
Maybe it'll be like the DLR, with driver's control panels, but not a
separated cab? But I think the mock-up does have a cab, contrary to
Boris's claims.

Where is the mock-up anyway, and how long will it be there for?

On a computer. For as long as someone keeps a copy of the file.

There also appears to be a small model:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/15496258746

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/medi...ondon-revealed

'The New Tube for London exhibition is at King's Cross St Pancras
Underground station, Northern ticket hall, from Thursday 9 October until
Sunday 16 November.'

I see. I was hoping that they had a mock-up to scale. I'm sure that will
happen, though no time soon.

Siemens did, but TfL's own design mock-up doesn't. The final chosen design
will probably have a full-size mock-up, of course to show Londoners what's
coming.


They had one for the 09ts at Euston, IIRC. I also saw one for new
rolling stock at the end of one line on the Rome Metro.

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On 2014-10-11 09:45:52 +0000, Recliner said:

The new automated trains will still have an attendant, who may be in
charge
of closing the doors.

Will they? Isn't that precisely what the Victoria and Central Lines
have - they just sit up front because it would be very hard for them to do
the doors on a crush loaded train from elsewhere.

I would assume if they want to automate fully, they will automate fully,
doors included, just like say Singapore. If you still have staff on the
train of any kind, you don't save any money.

you do if they can't demand a 60K per year salary because they take 18
months to train.

tim

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(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2014-10-11 09:45:52 +0000, Recliner said:

The new automated trains will still have an attendant, who may be in
charge of closing the doors.

Will they? Isn't that precisely what the Victoria and Central Lines
have - they just sit up front because it would be very hard for them
to do the doors on a crush loaded train from elsewhere.

I would assume if they want to automate fully, they will automate
fully, doors included, just like say Singapore. If you still have
staff on the train of any kind, you don't save any money.

It all depends on whether you believe Boris (difficult question I know).
He
said they will have captains like the DLR.

I think he said they'll actually have 'drivers' in the front cab in the
first few years, then roving attendants, presumably after the PEDs are
installed in tunnel stations. But this is all a decade or more after the
end of his mayoralty. By then, he'll be either PM or on the telly.

or campaigning for US president :-)

On 2014-10-13 17:19:52 +0000, tim..... said:

you do if they can't demand a 60K per year salary because they take 18
months to train.

Anyone know what DLR guards get, and how long they take to train?

As I was able to make a reasonable go of driving a Class 101 the first
time I got into the cab of one, I can't imagine that the actual driving
bit takes up very long. There's all the safety and emergency stuff to
learn as well, which a guard would also need.

Neil
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On Monday, October 13, 2014 1:25:53 PM UTC-4, tim..... wrote:

or campaigning for US president :-)

He'd have to move to the US right about now though to do that, as as well as being a natural-born US Citizen, which Bozza is, to be eligible to be Prez you have to reside in the US for fourteen years before taking office.
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Roy

On 13.10.14 20:02, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-13 17:19:52 +0000, tim..... said:

you do if they can't demand a 60K per year salary because they take 18
months to train.

Anyone know what DLR guards get, and how long they take to train?

As I was able to make a reasonable go of driving a Class 101 the first
time I got into the cab of one, I can't imagine that the actual driving
bit takes up very long. There's all the safety and emergency stuff to
learn as well, which a guard would also need.

Neil

Similar to learning how to fly a private aeroplane and obtaining a
private pilot's licence. The actual flying and controlling of the
aircraft itself is rather easy. It's what goes into that takes time to
learn. You basically have to know every part of the aeroplane and how it
works, why it does the things it does etc. On top of that, there are
rules of the road in the air and on the ground. You need to know how to
manoeuvre in various situations, what your aircraft can do and cannot
do, what speeds and throttle settings are necessary for different
scenarios, you need to know how to read certain ground signals as well
as how to properly speak with a tower or whatever control centre about
various things.

On top of all that, about 50% of training is in how to deal with
emergency situations, such as stall, engine failure, radio failure, fire
and even spins in some cases.