On 2015\01\24 18:45, wrote:
On Saturday, 24 January 2015 18:38:08 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\01\24 14:13, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:02:31 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-septemb
er.org, at 12:45:24 on Sat, 24 Jan 2015, Recliner
remarked:
given that Crossrail will run thru three different signalling systems,
integrate into the timetables of two franchises, and mix with local
and freight traffic, one can see it will present an operating
challenge.

Three franchises if you count HEx.

True, though the only tracks they'll share are in Heathrow itself, as
Crossrail will use the GW relief lines and HEx is on the mains.

My impression was that they wouldn't be doing much (if any) track
sharing with Greater Anglia between Stratford and Shenfield.

There will still be some in the peaks as Crossrail will still run some
trains into Liverpool St rather than in to the tunnels post 2019.

Will they not be sharing with South Eastern in the Abbey Wood area?

No as there will be two separate pairs of track to the north.

Thanks.

[utl added]

Were they drunk when they designed this branch? After Custom House they
should have had a station at City Airport (in King George V Dock), then
a surface station on the south side of the Central Way / Western Way
roundabout, then another at the Eastern Way / Carlyle Road roundabout,
then interchange at either Belvedere or Erith. By not having to build
and man an underground station in Woolwich 200m from the brand new DLR
station, surely this would have given a better benefit-cost ratio than
what they are doing, and solved the Thamesmead problem properly (which
an extra service away over in Abbey Wood just will not do).

The only East London interchange with the Jubilee in Canary Wharf is
terrible too. I see no indication that travelators are planned.

The Crossrail Website says there is safeguarding from Abbey Wood to Hoo
Junction. Is that just for overhead electrification or more tracks? And
why Hoo Junction of all places? Was this something to do with Boris Island?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossra...rt_of_services says that some
services west of Paddington will be transferred to Crossrail Ltd from
May 2018, and services east of Paddington will start in December 2018
(presumably turning somewhere out at Old Oak, because there is no
turning capacity at Paddington deep level platforms planned), but
through trains will not start until December 2019. So for the whole of
2019, Crossrail east and Crossrail west trains will be sharing track
from Paddington to Old Oak with the only interchange being up and down
escalators at Paddington! That can't be right!

Basil Jet wrote:

The only East London interchange with the Jubilee in Canary Wharf is
terrible too. I see no indication that travelators are planned.

What about at Stratford?

On 2015\01\25 09:16, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

The only East London interchange with the Jubilee in Canary Wharf is
terrible too. I see no indication that travelators are planned.

What about at Stratford?

I meant on that branch. Stratford is no use for someone trying to get
from Custom House to Bermondsey.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\01\25 09:16, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

The only East London interchange with the Jubilee in Canary Wharf is
terrible too. I see no indication that travelators are planned.

What about at Stratford?

I meant on that branch. Stratford is no use for someone trying to get
from Custom House to Bermondsey.

Why wouldn't they use the DLR, which provides the local links in Docklands?
It's an easy change at Canning Town.

On 2015\01\25 09:57, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\01\25 09:16, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

The only East London interchange with the Jubilee in Canary Wharf is
terrible too. I see no indication that travelators are planned.

What about at Stratford?

I meant on that branch. Stratford is no use for someone trying to get
from Custom House to Bermondsey.

Why wouldn't they use the DLR, which provides the local links in Docklands?
It's an easy change at Canning Town.


Of course, but that has so many extra stops that it might still be
quicker to change from Crossrail at Canary Wharf.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\01\25 09:57, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\01\25 09:16, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

The only East London interchange with the Jubilee in Canary Wharf is
terrible too. I see no indication that travelators are planned.

What about at Stratford?

I meant on that branch. Stratford is no use for someone trying to get
from Custom House to Bermondsey.

Why wouldn't they use the DLR, which provides the local links in Docklands?
It's an easy change at Canning Town.


Of course, but that has so many extra stops that it might still be
quicker to change from Crossrail at Canary Wharf.

It's only two stops from Custom House DLR to Canning Town, where there's an
excellent interchange with the Jubilee Line.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:31:32PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:12:28 on
Sat, 24 Jan 2015, e27002 aurora remarked:
given that Crossrail will run thru three different signalling systems,
integrate into the timetables of two franchises, and mix with local
and freight traffic, one can see it will present an operating
challenge.
Three franchises if you count HEx.

Will the Heathrow Express (and Heathrow Connect) still exist in the long
term? After all Crossrail will go from Paddington to Heathrow.

--
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Planckton: n, the smallest possible living thing

David Cantrell wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:31:32PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:12:28 on
Sat, 24 Jan 2015, e27002 aurora remarked:
given that Crossrail will run thru three different signalling systems,
integrate into the timetables of two franchises, and mix with local
and freight traffic, one can see it will present an operating
challenge.
Three franchises if you count HEx.

Will the Heathrow Express (and Heathrow Connect) still exist in the long
term? After all Crossrail will go from Paddington to Heathrow.

Crossrail takes over HC, but HEx is supposed to live on, as a faster, more
premium non-stop service to Paddington. Time will tell if the market will
support it long term; it may depend on what terminals the two serve.

On 2015\01\26 11:51, Recliner wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:31:32PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:12:28 on
Sat, 24 Jan 2015, e27002 aurora remarked:
given that Crossrail will run thru three different signalling systems,
integrate into the timetables of two franchises, and mix with local
and freight traffic, one can see it will present an operating
challenge.
Three franchises if you count HEx.

Will the Heathrow Express (and Heathrow Connect) still exist in the long
term? After all Crossrail will go from Paddington to Heathrow.

Crossrail takes over HC, but HEx is supposed to live on, as a faster, more
premium non-stop service to Paddington. Time will tell if the market will
support it long term; it may depend on what terminals the two serve.

Crossrail will serve all except T5. HEx will presumably continue to
serve all except T4.

In message , at 11:37:41
on Mon, 26 Jan 2015, David Cantrell remarked:
given that Crossrail will run thru three different signalling systems,
integrate into the timetables of two franchises, and mix with local
and freight traffic, one can see it will present an operating
challenge.
Three franchises if you count HEx.

Will the Heathrow Express (and Heathrow Connect) still exist in the long
term? After all Crossrail will go from Paddington to Heathrow.

As far as I know HEx has access rights until 2023, and there could well
be negotiations to send their trains through Crossrail, but retaining
the non-stop west of Paddington, after that.

Keen observers will note that the Crossrail network only goes to T4, not
T5.

Connect will merge into Crossrail.
--
Roland Perry