So why didn't London Overground turn trains back at Shadwell or Canada
Water instead of closing the entire line down?

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 16:32:05 +0000
" wrote:
On 03.03.15 18:31, eastender wrote:
One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

E.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.

BTW, there is additional weekend engineering works on the ELL this
weekend. Perhaps you would want to take a minute to find out the details
this time round, rather than complaining on this forum.

Was the broken down train part of some engineering works then?

--
Spud

On 2015-03-06 16:32:05 +0000, said:

On 03.03.15 18:31, eastender wrote:
One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

E.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.

BTW, there is additional weekend engineering works on the ELL this
weekend. Perhaps you would want to take a minute to find out the
details this time round, rather than complaining on this forum.

Clearly you've got nothing to do other than troll about on the
internet. Me - I just want to get from A to B.

E.

On 06.03.15 18:10, eastender wrote:
On 2015-03-06 16:32:05 +0000, said:

On 03.03.15 18:31, eastender wrote:
One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

E.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.

BTW, there is additional weekend engineering works on the ELL this
weekend. Perhaps you would want to take a minute to find out the
details this time round, rather than complaining on this forum.

Clearly you've got nothing to do other than troll about on the internet.
Me - I just want to get from A to B.

E.

Harsh words!

You have no idea what I am doing on this forum, so why don't you not
jump to conclusions and go whinge elsewhere and contact TfL for travel
information?

In message , at 16:32:05 on Fri, 6 Mar 2015,
" remarked:

Perhaps you would want to take a minute to find out the details this
time round, rather than complaining on this forum.

This is a newsgroup.
--
Roland Perry

On 06/03/2015 18:33, wrote:

On 06.03.15 18:10, eastender wrote:
[...]
One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.

BTW, there is additional weekend engineering works on the ELL this
weekend. Perhaps you would want to take a minute to find out the
details this time round, rather than complaining on this forum.

Clearly you've got nothing to do other than troll about on the internet.
Me - I just want to get from A to B.

Harsh words!

You have no idea what I am doing on this forum, so why don't you not
jump to conclusions and go whinge elsewhere and contact TfL for travel
information?

Easy... we don't need to be like that on here.

I don't see why posting about a failed train and the knock-on effects is
out of scope of this newsgroup.

On 2015-03-06 20:06:01 +0000, Mizter T said:

On 06/03/2015 18:33, wrote:

On 06.03.15 18:10, eastender wrote:
[...]
One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.

BTW, there is additional weekend engineering works on the ELL this
weekend. Perhaps you would want to take a minute to find out the
details this time round, rather than complaining on this forum.

Clearly you've got nothing to do other than troll about on the internet.
Me - I just want to get from A to B.

Harsh words!

You have no idea what I am doing on this forum, so why don't you not
jump to conclusions and go whinge elsewhere and contact TfL for travel
information?

Easy... we don't need to be like that on here.

I don't see why posting about a failed train and the knock-on effects
is out of scope of this newsgroup.

Well exactly. In fact the earler post he (I presume it's a he) was
moaning about wasn't explicit - the NCG to West Croydon closure was
decribed as a Southern Services closure and didn't mention the ELL at
all. You'd have to know they run on the same tracks.

E.

On 07.03.15 10:53, eastender wrote:
On 2015-03-06 20:06:01 +0000, Mizter T said:

On 06/03/2015 18:33, wrote:

On 06.03.15 18:10, eastender wrote:
[...]
One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.

BTW, there is additional weekend engineering works on the ELL this
weekend. Perhaps you would want to take a minute to find out the
details this time round, rather than complaining on this forum.

Clearly you've got nothing to do other than troll about on the
internet.
Me - I just want to get from A to B.

Harsh words!

You have no idea what I am doing on this forum, so why don't you not
jump to conclusions and go whinge elsewhere and contact TfL for travel
information?

Easy... we don't need to be like that on here.

I don't see why posting about a failed train and the knock-on effects
is out of scope of this newsgroup.

Well exactly. In fact the earler post he (I presume it's a he) was
moaning about wasn't explicit - the NCG to West Croydon closure was
decribed as a Southern Services closure and didn't mention the ELL at
all. You'd have to know they run on the same tracks.

E.

Actually, I have been on all of the ELL, okay? So don't tell me what I
know and don't know.

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 20:06:01 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:

Easy... we don't need to be like that on here.

I don't see why posting about a failed train and the knock-on effects is
out of scope of this newsgroup.

I agree - I really don't understand what has triggered this bout of
"posting rage" from two normally very "placid" and polite posters.
Most odd.

And no one has to reply to try to justify their respective positions
as I don't want to read yet more backbiting.

One question about the actual incident: do you know how long the ELL was
completely shut down? If it was for just a matter of minutes, then it's
not surprising they didn't reverse the services at a crossover, but if it
was hours, then that's a different matter.

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 21:25:52 +0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 20:06:01 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:

Easy... we don't need to be like that on here.

I don't see why posting about a failed train and the knock-on effects is
out of scope of this newsgroup.

I agree - I really don't understand what has triggered this bout of
"posting rage" from two normally very "placid" and polite posters.
Most odd.

And no one has to reply to try to justify their respective positions
as I don't want to read yet more backbiting.

One question about the actual incident: do you know how long the ELL was
completely shut down? If it was for just a matter of minutes, then it's
not surprising they didn't reverse the services at a crossover, but if it
was hours, then that's a different matter.

I don't have access to incident info. I believe it happened in the AM
peak or towards the end of it. Trains are full to overflowing from
the south and not exactly quiet elsewhere. As I have said before I
expect the tactic is to say the line is suspended to deter more people
turning up for trains. Then the process will be to get trains into
platforms if they are not already there. This is to reduce the risk
of people being stuck in the tunnel if there then is a need to
evacuate trains. Given the intensity of the ELL service and the
relative closeness of stations I'd imagine they'd have trains in
platforms pretty much within a couple of minutes.

The next tactic will be to determine what is wrong with the train and
whether it has to be "reset" or detrained and returned to depot -
assuming, of course, it can be moved.

The other problem on the ELL is that many of the platforms are narrow
and not very long and egress is limited at the older stops. Therefore
you can't keep emptying trains at such stations to reverse them -
assuming you have line capacity to run them somewhere else.

I'm obviously guessing here but there are not many refuge sidings on
the ELL core section so you really need to get trains beyond Surrey
Quays to be able to hide them away somewhere. The alternative is to
keep them stopped until the conked out train moves.

Thanks, that all makes good sense. I wonder how much redundancy the 4-car
378s have that would minimise the risk of a total breakdown? For example,
I know a lot of effort went into ensuring that the Pendos were carefully
designed to minimise this risk, with just about everything duplicated,
aircraft-style.