On 2015-04-01 10:34:15 +0000, said:

Uh-oh. A complete no-no and a quid-pro-quo for Oyster acceptance on NR in
London.

In what manner is tying a Railcard to a credit card a complete no-no?

Neil
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Neil Williams
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(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2015-04-01 10:34:15 +0000, said:

Uh-oh. A complete no-no and a quid-pro-quo for Oyster acceptance on NR
in London.

In what manner is tying a Railcard to a credit card a complete no-no?

That's not what I thought you said which is why I was saying that railcard
discounts would have to remain. I agree they could be tied to contactless
card accounts in future but they can't be now and even on Oyster they don't
show in online accounts, inexplicably.

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Colin Rosenstiel

On 2015-04-01 15:20:10 +0000, said:

That's not what I thought you said which is why I was saying that railcard
discounts would have to remain. I agree they could be tied to contactless
card accounts in future but they can't be now and even on Oyster they don't
show in online accounts, inexplicably.

I mentioned both options - removing acceptance, and tying to the
contactless account (which under the new Oyster system will be
basically the same as tying to an Oyster card).

If Railcards ever become ITSO cards with all discounted tickets held on
them as I suspect they will, you could even tie it to that - either
associate a PAYG account or a debit/credit card to the Railcard itself,
and tap away.

Neil
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Neil Williams
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In message , at 22:06:55 on Wed, 1 Apr
2015, Neil Williams remarked:

If Railcards ever become ITSO cards with all discounted tickets held on
them as I suspect they will, you could even tie it to that - either
associate a PAYG account or a debit/credit card to the Railcard itself,
and tap away.

There's a few problems with that. Firstly some Railcards allow more than
one passenger to travel - indeed the Two Together mandates it.

Secondly you'd need to have interoperability between such an ITSO card
and all the TOCs, because you could be loading the underlying ticket
product from any of them onto it.

Finally, it would require interoperable acceptance of ITSO across the
entire network. Not just at every gated station but also all grippers.

As far as I'm aware one of the ongoing issues with EMT's ITSO project is
that tickets are only accepted on EMT trains, despite there being XC and
Northern trains serving the same routes in the Midlands, and Thameslink
near London.
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 22:06:55 on Wed, 1
Apr 2015, Neil Williams remarked:

If Railcards ever become ITSO cards with all discounted tickets held on
them as I suspect they will, you could even tie it to that - either
associate a PAYG account or a debit/credit card to the Railcard itself,
and tap away.

There's a few problems with that. Firstly some Railcards allow more
than one passenger to travel - indeed the Two Together mandates it.

Secondly you'd need to have interoperability between such an ITSO
card and all the TOCs, because you could be loading the underlying
ticket product from any of them onto it.

Finally, it would require interoperable acceptance of ITSO across the
entire network. Not just at every gated station but also all grippers.

As far as I'm aware one of the ongoing issues with EMT's ITSO project
is that tickets are only accepted on EMT trains, despite there being
XC and Northern trains serving the same routes in the Midlands, and
Thameslink near London.

Those are probably reasons why only selected railcards get Oyster discounts,
Roland.

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Colin Rosenstiel