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Steve Lewis · April 13th 15, 12:52 PM posted to uk.transport.london

GCSE Maths being significantly easier than O-Level Maths.

[email protected] · April 14th 15, 02:14 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses
to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything
else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market.

I'd add "taking five years to GCSE" onto that as well.

It's two - or are you including every year from the start of
secondary?

But remember that my original calculation required *at least one*
of the three 'delay factors' for a student to be 21 in their final
year, and according to Colin, to qualify to vote your birthday
would have to be before October, so even then most students
wouldn't be eligible.

Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · April 14th 15, 03:01 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
05:03:27 on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:
My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney
Sussex College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the
corridor. He said Owen was the exception who had not already done
National Service.

If American, that's the sort of scandal that sees your political
career go down the toilet

Someone mentioned study medicine being an exemption, which is what
David Owen was doing.

And he was 21 on 2nd July 1959, about a fortnight after the end of
his last term, so would never have been able to vote in Cambridge
(even if being student had passed the residence test).

Indeed but my friend, the late Chris Bradford who would have been 21 in
November 1955, would have been able to vote.

But November is after October, and you said that the roll was drawn
up from people already 21 in October. Or is this an election in 1957
(for which he may have qualified in October 1956).

My point it that he would have been able to vote before July 1959.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · April 14th 15, 03:01 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
05:03:27 on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:

Owen was a GP before he was elected to Parliament.

Wonkypedia says he was a Registrar at St Thomas's.

OK. I was going from memory and forgot to check which sort of doctor he was.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry · April 14th 15, 09:06 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 20:14:08
on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected] · April 14th 15, 11:42 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
20:14:08 on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even over
18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child protection
that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry · April 14th 15, 01:29 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 05:42:48
on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even over
18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child protection
that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).
--
Roland Perry

Clank · April 14th 15, 06:26 PM posted to uk.transport.london

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 05:42:48
on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even over
18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child protection
that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).

It seems like child protection is somewhat unavoidable for schools. On the
other hand is a university going to want to Enhanced-CRB check its entire
staff (including every student who volunteers to help in a tutorial or
similar) just to admit one precocious teenager who could easily wait a
year? And will all the student societies need to CRB check their officers
as well, I wonder?

(I've had an enhanced CRB - it's not a difficult process, but it is a
paperwork ballache, it costs a not insignificant amount, and it is slow.)

[email protected] · April 14th 15, 07:21 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
05:42:48 on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues
have largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even
over 18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child
protection that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).

They're not geared up for it, given that only a tiny minority of students
are affected. The majority threw off the "in loco parentis" stuff 45 years
ago.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry · April 14th 15, 08:10 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In message
-septem
ber.org, at 17:26:14 on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, Clank
remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 05:42:48
on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even over
18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child protection
that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).

It seems like child protection is somewhat unavoidable for schools. On the
other hand is a university going to want to Enhanced-CRB check its entire
staff (including every student who volunteers to help in a tutorial or
similar)

Whatever the check is (I think Enhanced CRB is an old one) there are
certainly checks like that done on Uni students who are volunteers. And
apparently are still not transferable, and have to be done over and over
again for every few hours volunteering.
--
Roland Perry

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