In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:36:59 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 15:57:52 +0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

From

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...t/11558430/Tra
velling-by-train-is-st-says-transport-boss.html

Travelling by train is s**t where “Gestapo” staff target commuters and
“fine everyone”, the head of London’s transport system has said.

Sir Peter Hendy, Commissioner of Transport for London, said the public
“hates” suburban rail services and singled out South Eastern trains in a
startling attack.
He accused the company of running a service like “the Wild West” that
was “s**t and awful”.
Sir Peter also criticised South West trains and said Network Rail was
“under fire” over its redevelopment of one of London’s main stations.


And today Mr Hendy has apologised to South Eastern about his remarks!

Yes, I saw that. He didn't exactly rush to do so, did he?

Somebody must have been working hard on him in the meantime. I can see a
case for apologising for the immoderate wording but on the substance?

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Colin Rosenstiel

On 2015\04\29 20:05, Richard wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:44:40 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:40:36 -0500,
wrote:

Somebody must have been working hard on him in the meantime. I can see a
case for apologising for the immoderate wording but on the substance?

Well I suspect certain senior people in Go Ahead have whispered in his
ears. They're a major contractor to TfL and the Chief Exec was the
former TfL Head of Surface Transport so there's a close relationship
there. [...]

And there's the fact that, well, he *should* have apologised. I'm not
sure what he was thinking, and now it seems neither does he. A bit of
humility would have been in order, I imagine it is possible to come
away from an encounter with TfL with nobody smelling of roses. An
apology is not a bad or weak thing, it's the inevitable occasional
result with someone who says what he thinks, IMO a refreshing trait
for a boss.

Unless he's only saying it because he's got his eye on controlling
someone else's property. Note that he hasn't called Uber "****" for
taking hundreds of pounds out of people's bank accounts for non-existent
journeys, even though that is a hundred times worse than SouthEastern's
crimes, and TfL is actually responsible for looking after Uber's
customers, unlike SouthEastern's customers.

Paul Corfield wrote:

TfL take over two chunks of NR with new operators
in a month's time and people may well be calling TfL "****" fairly
soon if those operations fall flat on their face in the early days.
Even though TfL have "soft pedalled" about the scale of change that is
possible in the early days that won't stop the public expectations
running ahead of reality and then being dashed when trains still conk
out, wires fall down and points and signals fail as they are wont to
do on both West Anglia and the Shenfield line.

On top of all that here on the Shenfield line passengers primarily want
timetable common sense in the peaks (Forest Gate has the problem that in the
busiest part of the morning peak there's a 36 minute period with only two
London trains, both heavily packed and if one goes down the other is
physically impossible to board) and a better interior layout on the rolling
stock that's more appropriate for a very busy metro service with stations as
little as two minutes apart. (The vestibles are often rampacked whilst some
seats are empty because many prioritise the chance to get off at their
station over a seat.)

I suspect that the rush to partially repaint the rolling stock in advance
will backfire as passengers come to expect more and dismiss this as
corporate vanity. The old stock colours would be more accepted as it would
show legacy.

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On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:49:51 +0100, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:

TfL take over two chunks of NR with new operators
in a month's time and people may well be calling TfL "****" fairly
soon if those operations fall flat on their face in the early days.
Even though TfL have "soft pedalled" about the scale of change that is
possible in the early days that won't stop the public expectations
running ahead of reality and then being dashed when trains still conk
out, wires fall down and points and signals fail as they are wont to
do on both West Anglia and the Shenfield line.

On top of all that here on the Shenfield line passengers primarily want
timetable common sense in the peaks (Forest Gate has the problem that in the
busiest part of the morning peak there's a 36 minute period with only two
London trains, both heavily packed and if one goes down the other is
physically impossible to board) and a better interior layout on the rolling
stock that's more appropriate for a very busy metro service with stations as
little as two minutes apart. (The vestibles are often rampacked whilst some
seats are empty because many prioritise the chance to get off at their
station over a seat.)

I suspect that the rush to partially repaint the rolling stock in advance
will backfire as passengers come to expect more and dismiss this as
corporate vanity. The old stock colours would be more accepted as it would
show legacy.

Are they going to repainted? I seem to recall that LO simply cleaned
and applied stickers over the Silverlink livery on the old trains it
first took over. For example:
http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwik...a-20080513.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._on_508303.jpg
http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKR...%2816%29-S.jpg

The new trains won't be 378s, but will probably have a similar
internal layout, with fewer, longitudinal seats, plenty of standing
room, and easy movement between cars.

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

The new trains won't be 378s, but will probably have a similar
internal layout, with fewer, longitudinal seats, plenty of standing
room, and easy movement between cars.

Have they been ordered?

--
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wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

The new trains won't be 378s, but will probably have a similar
internal layout, with fewer, longitudinal seats, plenty of standing
room, and easy movement between cars.

Have they been ordered?

The successful bidder was due to be announced last month, but I've not seen
an announcement yet:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...announced.html

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 09:27:42PM +0100, Basil Jet wrote:

Unless he's only saying it because he's got his eye on controlling
someone else's property. Note that he hasn't called Uber "****" for
taking hundreds of pounds out of people's bank accounts for non-existent
journeys

When did that happen?

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On 30/04/2015 15:03, David Cantrell wrote:

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 09:27:42PM +0100, Basil Jet wrote:

Unless he's only saying it because he's got his eye on controlling
someone else's property. Note that he hasn't called Uber "****" for
taking hundreds of pounds out of people's bank accounts for non-existent
journeys

When did that happen?

Yes, that's not a criticism of Uber that I've ever come across. Is it
just Taxi trade FUD?

On 2015\05\16 15:16, Mizter T wrote:

On 30/04/2015 15:03, David Cantrell wrote:

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 09:27:42PM +0100, Basil Jet wrote:

Unless he's only saying it because he's got his eye on controlling
someone else's property. Note that he hasn't called Uber "****" for
taking hundreds of pounds out of people's bank accounts for non-existent
journeys

When did that happen?

Yes, that's not a criticism of Uber that I've ever come across. Is it
just Taxi trade FUD?

I did see it but I can't find it now. I found this though.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-10144655.html