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As most people here must know, Chiltern runs one service a day, M-F,
to Paddington. It's run mainly for maintaining driver route knowledge
for the occasions when Chiltern services are diverted to Paddington.

It's not quite a parly service, as it runs at a convenient time, five
days a week, but it's also not promoted and little used other than by
rail enthusiasts (the few passengers are all sole males with cameras).
And, yes, I was one of those this week, and here's the evidence:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57654494380303

But it got me wondering if Chiltern could or should run more services
into Paddington? Chiltern's services are growing steadily, with 2 tph
Oxford services being added soon. The two-track route into Marylebone
is congested, as are Marylebone's six platforms. Would it be possible
to run, say, 2 tph into Paddington? There's obviously many
constraints, including:

- the single track sections on the neglected former main line from
South Ruislip to Old Oak Common, which also sees occasional freight
trains

- the flat Old Oak Common West Junction to the GW relief lines

- capacity on the relief lines into Paddington

- Paddington platform availability.

But might there still be room for a limited number of Chiltern
services, maybe even at peak times? Once Crossrail starts, there will
be more room in Paddington itself, but what about on the approach
lines?
I travelled on this train this morning. Very interesting. There was one other
passenger - with the regulation camera - and a member of staff in civilian
clothes who seemed to be the guard. He said the reason for the service was
to maintain Chiltern's right of way into Paddington and seemed to think that
staff training was a secondary consideration.

He also confirmed there was no chance of Chiltern sending more trains to
Paddington because of a lack of train paths and platforms.

Does anyone know why there are such severe speed limits on this line? The
parallel Central Line moves quite quickly and the track seems to be well-
maintained.
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On 2015\09\18 16:54, Robin9 wrote:

I travelled on this train this morning. Very interesting. There was one
other
passenger - with the regulation camera - and a member of staff in
civilian
clothes who seemed to be the guard. He said the reason for the service
was
to maintain Chiltern's right of way into Paddington and seemed to think
that
staff training was a secondary consideration.

He also confirmed there was no chance of Chiltern sending more trains to

Paddington because of a lack of train paths and platforms.


What use is maintaining Chiltern's "right of way" if they don't have the
right to more than one path a day?
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On 2015\09\18 16:54, Robin9 wrote:

I travelled on this train this morning. Very interesting. There was
one other passenger - with the regulation camera - and a member
of staff in civilian clothes who seemed to be the guard. He said the
reason for the service was to maintain Chiltern's right of way into
Paddington and seemed to think that staff training was a secondary
consideration.

He also confirmed there was no chance of Chiltern sending more trains
to Paddington because of a lack of train paths and platforms.


What use is maintaining Chiltern's "right of way" if they don't have the
right to more than one path a day?
You'll have to ask Chiltern. I'm only the messenger!

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Basil Jet wrote:

On 2015\09\18 16:54, Robin9 wrote:

I travelled on this train this morning. Very interesting. There was
one other
passenger - with the regulation camera - and a member of staff in
civilian
clothes who seemed to be the guard. He said the reason for the
service was
to maintain Chiltern's right of way into Paddington and seemed to
think that
staff training was a secondary consideration.

He also confirmed there was no chance of Chiltern sending more
trains to

Paddington because of a lack of train paths and platforms.


What use is maintaining Chiltern's "right of way" if they don't have
the right to more than one path a day?


The main use is as a diversionary route at weekends if Marylebone is
closed.

Peter Smyth
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On 2015\09\19 00:22, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:58:06 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\09\18 16:54, Robin9 wrote:

I travelled on this train this morning. Very interesting. There was one
other
passenger - with the regulation camera - and a member of staff in
civilian
clothes who seemed to be the guard. He said the reason for the service
was
to maintain Chiltern's right of way into Paddington and seemed to think
that
staff training was a secondary consideration.

He also confirmed there was no chance of Chiltern sending more trains to

Paddington because of a lack of train paths and platforms.


What use is maintaining Chiltern's "right of way" if they don't have the
right to more than one path a day?


It avoids the horror, for the DfT, of going through the formal closure
procedure. DfT are undboubtedly happy to avoid drawing any attention
to the route, its appalling condition and the poor train service. If
people became aware of the route all sorts of outrageous demands, like
a decent train service or, horror of horrors, linking into Crossrail
might be suggested and we can't have that. You can guarantee that if
anyone did anything about closing the service in the next few months
that it'd become a Mayoral election issue in West London and London
Travelwatch would never, ever agree to a closure of a main line link
into a London terminal.


That sounds far more likely than Chiltern wanting to maintain a right of
way.

I'm wondering... if a link from the line to the West London line was
built, perhaps using an S-shaped curve from just south of Old Oak Common
Depot to Hythe Road / Salter Street, would an hourly service from, say
Aylesbury and Princes Risborough to Shepherds Bush and further (say,
Brixton and Orpington) be popular? And would that remove the legal need
for the daily Chiltern service to Paddington, and the parliamentary bus
service from Ealing to Wandsworth Road?


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On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 13:48:37 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
As most people here must know, Chiltern runs one service a day, M-F,
to Paddington.


There is a YouTube video about this, dated 7/12/2017, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiZGRA_yCE
in case anyone's interested.

It came up in my recommended videos column, which is slightly worrying.
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That YouTube video was sent to me too. It's misleading in that
it does not mention the inbound journey from South Ruislip to
Paddington. I also question the forthright assertion that Chiltern
are required to run this service. If that is correct, why were
Chiltern originally allowed to terminate at West Ruislip?
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