In message , at 14:04:33 on Fri, 18
Sep 2015, Neil Williams remarked:

And Euston Square is shown directly south of Euston, which it[1] (or
the passenger entrance, at least) isn't.

[1] Well, the platforms are, which is why it amazes me there was never
an entrance provided from the Euston complex.

I refer the Honorable Gentleman to the site I mentioned earlier:

http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/

Which shows the closest platform ends are some distance apart. Indeed
Euston Square is closer to Warren Street [Northern Line] than Euston
mainline.

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Roland Perry

On 2015-09-18 13:52:50 +0000, Roland Perry said:

http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/

Which shows the closest platform ends are some distance apart. Indeed
Euston Square is closer to Warren Street [Northern Line] than Euston
mainline.

Possibly in terms of the other two lines there which seem to lie
slightly south-east of Euston station, but in terms of Euston station
itself the platforms run west to east pretty much under the road past
Euston Square Gardens, i.e. the front of the station. So when going
from Euston to Euston Square, one walks unnecessarily in the wrong
direction before accessing the platforms at their western extreme end.
An access at the eastern end would be a whole train-length closer to
Euston.

Neil
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Neil Williams
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:32:30 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:

On 2015-09-18 13:52:50 +0000, Roland Perry said:

http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/

Which shows the closest platform ends are some distance apart. Indeed
Euston Square is closer to Warren Street [Northern Line] than Euston
mainline.

Possibly in terms of the other two lines there which seem to lie
slightly south-east of Euston station, but in terms of Euston station
itself the platforms run west to east pretty much under the road past
Euston Square Gardens, i.e. the front of the station. So when going
from Euston to Euston Square, one walks unnecessarily in the wrong
direction before accessing the platforms at their western extreme end.
An access at the eastern end would be a whole train-length closer to
Euston.

I'm sure Euston wins on connections, but you could link both with a
distance similar to that you can walk undercover at Kings X St P. We
could then have stations where you can get a train *or* walk, like in
Paris... Chatelet Les Halles, somewhere around Auber/St Lazare?

Richard.

Le vendredi 18 septembre 2015 15:01:09 UTC+1, Roland Perry a écrit*:


http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/

I've always wondered about this map. It looks very "precise" but is it really?

For example, a tube line runs under the Western side of Finsbury Park (West of the reservoir) but neither the Victoria or Piccadilly lines are shown so doing - so what's going on there?

Francis

In message , at
09:10:28 on Tue, 6 Oct 2015, remarked:
http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/

I've always wondered about this map. It looks very "precise" but is it really?

Every time I've checked it, the result is the most accurate I've seen.

For example, a tube line runs under the Western side of Finsbury Park

There's a certain amount of artistic licence at places like Finsbury
Park station, where the various lines are spread out horizontally for
clarity.

(West of the reservoir) but neither the Victoria or Piccadilly lines
are shown so doing - so what's going on there?

Other maps I have confirm the Victoria Line shadowing the Piccadilly as
far as Manor House Station and then the Piccadilly heading north to
Turnpike Lane, under or adjacent to Green Lanes, and the Victoria Line
continuing under Seven Sisters Road.

Both are well east of the lake in the park, which would be a massive
diversion for either line.
--
Roland Perry

On 2015\10\06 21:34, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
09:10:28 on Tue, 6 Oct 2015, remarked:
http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/

I've always wondered about this map. It looks very "precise" but is it
really?

Every time I've checked it, the result is the most accurate I've seen.

For example, a tube line runs under the Western side of Finsbury Park

There's a certain amount of artistic licence at places like Finsbury
Park station, where the various lines are spread out horizontally for
clarity.

(West of the reservoir) but neither the Victoria or Piccadilly lines
are shown so doing - so what's going on there?

Other maps I have confirm the Victoria Line shadowing the Piccadilly as
far as Manor House Station and then the Piccadilly heading north to
Turnpike Lane, under or adjacent to Green Lanes, and the Victoria Line
continuing under Seven Sisters Road.

Both are well east of the lake in the park, which would be a massive
diversion for either line.

http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php shows the Vic passing west of
the reservoir.

http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=-... ough_wrapper
shows the Vic running east-west under the reservoir.

The very different portrayals of the line from Seven Sisters -
Northumberland Park Depot are surprising.

The ITO map is definitely more accurate in the Gibson Square area,
because there is a ventilation shaft there. The ITO map also shows the
Jubbly more accurately near Regents Park station, because there is also
a ventilation shaft there.

Le mardi 6 octobre 2015 22:40:19 UTC+1, Basil Jet a écrit*:

http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php shows the Vic passing west of
the reservoir.

http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=-... ough_wrapper
shows the Vic running east-west under the reservoir.

The very different portrayals of the line from Seven Sisters -
Northumberland Park Depot are surprising.

Indeed. Only one of them can be right. Where do they get their data from?

There is a ventilation shaft coming in Finsbury Park roughly to the left of the words "Finsbury Park" in the Rail Map image just above where it draws the Victoria Line. That would be consistent with the ITO map but not, I think, the Carto Metro one, though looking closely it is hard to be sure. None of the three agree though.

Which is why I'm sceptical of any of them.

Francis

wrote:

Le mardi 6 octobre 2015 22:40:19 UTC+1, Basil Jet a écrit*:

http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php shows the Vic passing west
of the reservoir.

http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=-...37&zoom=15&ope
n_sidebar=clickthrough_wrapper shows the Vic running east-west
under the reservoir.

The very different portrayals of the line from Seven Sisters -
Northumberland Park Depot are surprising.

Indeed. Only one of them can be right. Where do they get their data
from?

There is a ventilation shaft coming in Finsbury Park roughly to the
left of the words "Finsbury Park" in the Rail Map image just above
where it draws the Victoria Line. That would be consistent with the
ITO map but not, I think, the Carto Metro one, though looking
closely it is hard to be sure. None of the three agree though.

Which is why I'm sceptical of any of them.

Francis

There is an official TfL map at
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...633/attach/3/U
ndergroundMaps.pdf which more or less matches the ITO map.

Peter Smyth

In message , at
14:59:03 on Tue, 6 Oct 2015, remarked:
http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php shows the Vic passing west of
the reservoir.

http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=-... ough_wrapper
shows the Vic running east-west under the reservoir.

The very different portrayals of the line from Seven Sisters -
Northumberland Park Depot are surprising.

Indeed. Only one of them can be right. Where do they get their data from?

There is a ventilation shaft coming in Finsbury Park roughly to the left of the words
"Finsbury Park" in the Rail Map image just above where it draws the Victoria Line.

I can't see that, could you zoom in on Google Maps and post a short
link?

That would be consistent with the ITO map but not, I think, the Carto Metro one,

As mentioned earlier, that map suffers a little from the artificial
separation of the under- and over-ground (notTM) stations at Finsbury
Park, so that the tube platforms are a little too far east. Apart from
that it agrees completely with the ITO map.

though looking closely it is hard to be sure. None of the three agree though.

Other than the one with Victoria going west of the lake in the park, all
the others (and more) are broadly in agreement about the routes from
Finsbury Park to Manor House.

Which is why I'm sceptical of any of them.

--
Roland Perry

Le mercredi 7 octobre 2015 07:56:08 UTC+1, Roland Perry a écrit*:

I can't see that, could you zoom in on Google Maps and post a short
link?

I have no idea how to do that. Does the following work:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...ZM&usp=sharing

Just North of the Tennis Courts (that are in use) a some way to the West of the reservoir and a little to the SE of where the Parkland Walk begins.

Francis