In message of Fri, 9 Oct
2015 18:42:16 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:09:29 +0200, Kerry Hawkins
wrote:


Hello

I want to travel to Canary Warf from Worcester Park using the London
Overground from Clapham Junction.

I will touch in at Worcester Park but do I have to touch the pink reader
at Clapham Junction before I get on the Overground...?

Thanks for your help.

Please check your journey in the TfL Single Fare Finder. That
specifies the default route - first one on the list and usually via
Zone 1 - and then will list alternatives.

You must ONLY touch your Oyster Card / Contactless Card at the points
specified by TfL to benefit from a lower fare.

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...inder?From=Wor
cester+Park+Rail+Station&FromId=910GWRCSTRP&To=Ca nary+Wharf+Underground
+Station&ToId=940GZZLUCYF&PassengerType=Adult

In this case that is "in" at Worcester Park, "pink" at Canada Water
and "out" at Canary Wharf LU station.

The pink validators are at Overground platform level near the
escalators down to the Jubilee Line.

Helpful as ever, Paul!
I could not remember the location of the Canada Water pink validators.

One unhelpful thing, is that pink validator touches do not show on
Passenger Operated Machines. They do appear in online statements.
Colin Rosentiel was misinformed, when told printed statements can be
produced by POMs - even with staff intervention, unless the staff in
King's Cross are misinformed or undertrained.

I am puzzled as to why a pink validator touch is needed to select a
cheap fare between Worcester Park and Canary Wharf.
The obvious route via Waterloo NR and Waterloo LU would involve a touch
out and touch in and would incur a via zone 1 fare - if gates are
operational.
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve gates?
--
Walter Briscoe

"Walter Briscoe" wrote in message
...
In message of Fri, 9 Oct
2015 18:42:16 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:09:29 +0200, Kerry Hawkins
wrote:


Hello

I want to travel to Canary Warf from Worcester Park using the London
Overground from Clapham Junction.

I will touch in at Worcester Park but do I have to touch the pink reader
at Clapham Junction before I get on the Overground...?

Thanks for your help.

Please check your journey in the TfL Single Fare Finder. That
specifies the default route - first one on the list and usually via
Zone 1 - and then will list alternatives.

You must ONLY touch your Oyster Card / Contactless Card at the points
specified by TfL to benefit from a lower fare.

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...inder?From=Wor
cester+Park+Rail+Station&FromId=910GWRCSTRP&To=C anary+Wharf+Underground
+Station&ToId=940GZZLUCYF&PassengerType=Adult

In this case that is "in" at Worcester Park, "pink" at Canada Water
and "out" at Canary Wharf LU station.

The pink validators are at Overground platform level near the
escalators down to the Jubilee Line.

Helpful as ever, Paul!
I could not remember the location of the Canada Water pink validators.

One unhelpful thing, is that pink validator touches do not show on
Passenger Operated Machines. They do appear in online statements.
Colin Rosentiel was misinformed, when told printed statements can be
produced by POMs - even with staff intervention, unless the staff in
King's Cross are misinformed or undertrained.

I am puzzled as to why a pink validator touch is needed to select a
cheap fare between Worcester Park and Canary Wharf.
The obvious route via Waterloo NR and Waterloo LU would involve a touch
out and touch in and would incur a via zone 1 fare - if gates are
operational.
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve gates?

you answered it yourself:

"if gates are operational", There's an awful lot of automatic correction of
incorrect fare calculations for when they are not and the system assumes
this is always a possibility.

tim

"Walter Briscoe" wrote in message
...

Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve gates?
--
Walter Briscoe

You can transfer between NR/OG and the Underground at a number of points
without going through gates, and Farringdon is a rare case where that can
happen inside zone 1. A lot of other lines pass through zone 1 so any
journey through the zone and out the other side is a possibility.

--
DAS

On 10/10/2015 14:22, D A Stocks wrote:

"Walter Briscoe" wrote:

Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve gates?

You can transfer between NR/OG and the Underground at a number of points
without going through gates, and Farringdon is a rare case where that
can happen inside zone 1. A lot of other lines pass through zone 1 so
any journey through the zone and out the other side is a possibility.


Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 10/10/2015 14:22, D A Stocks wrote:

"Walter Briscoe" wrote:

Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve
gates?

You can transfer between NR/OG and the Underground at a number of points
without going through gates, and Farringdon is a rare case where that
can happen inside zone 1. A lot of other lines pass through zone 1 so
any journey through the zone and out the other side is a possibility.

Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get to any
other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 10:53:27
on Sat, 10 Oct 2015, remarked:
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve
gates?

You can transfer between NR/OG and the Underground at a number of points
without going through gates, and Farringdon is a rare case where that
can happen inside zone 1. A lot of other lines pass through zone 1 so
any journey through the zone and out the other side is a possibility.

Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get to any
other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

Yes, you can do the mid-platform exits at Waterloo to the transverse
corridor, from which the Waterloo & City doesn't have barriers, nor are
there any between W&C at Bank and the DLR. Or even at most DLR exits.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
10:53:27 on Sat, 10 Oct 2015, remarked:
Can anybody suggest a via zone 1 journey, which would not involve
gates?

You can transfer between NR/OG and the Underground at a number of
points without going through gates, and Farringdon is a rare case
where that can happen inside zone 1. A lot of other lines pass
through zone 1 so any journey through the zone and out the other side
is a possibility.

Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get to
any other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

Yes, you can do the mid-platform exits at Waterloo to the transverse
corridor, from which the Waterloo & City doesn't have barriers, nor
are there any between W&C at Bank and the DLR. Or even at most DLR
exits.

I'm not sure that's so any more. When did you last go that way? I did on my
way back from Bournemouth recently.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 10/10/2015 17:27, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get
to any other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

Yes, you can do the mid-platform exits at Waterloo to the transverse
corridor, from which the Waterloo & City doesn't have barriers, nor are
there any between W&C at Bank and the DLR. Or even at most DLR exits.

The mid-platform entrances/exits for Waterloo mainline/NR were gated a
few years ago.

My comment was regarding NR to LU (or v.v.) interchanges in zone 1.
Though I'm sure the DLR into Bank is a source of a certain number of
free riders on the Tube, likewise the GN / Northern City into Old Street
and Moorgate.

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 10/10/2015 17:27, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
Farringdon (for Thameslink), Moorgate and Old Street (for Great
Northern) are the only three examples I can think of now in z1.

Although the Waterloo & City at Waterloo has no barriers can you get
to any other platforms there without passing through barriers now?

Yes, you can do the mid-platform exits at Waterloo to the transverse
corridor, from which the Waterloo & City doesn't have barriers, nor are
there any between W&C at Bank and the DLR. Or even at most DLR exits.

The mid-platform entrances/exits for Waterloo mainline/NR were gated
a few years ago.

My comment was regarding NR to LU (or v.v.) interchanges in zone 1.
Though I'm sure the DLR into Bank is a source of a certain number of
free riders on the Tube, likewise the GN / Northern City into Old
Street and Moorgate.

The GN is largely gated now, isn't it? I know there are exceptions,
including the new platforms at Finsbury Park.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

In message of Fri, 9 Oct
2015 18:42:16 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:09:29 +0200, Kerry Hawkins
wrote:

Hello

I want to travel to Canary Warf from Worcester Park using the London
Overground from Clapham Junction.

I will touch in at Worcester Park but do I have to touch the pink reader
at Clapham Junction before I get on the Overground...?

Thanks for your help.

Please check your journey in the TfL Single Fare Finder. That
specifies the default route - first one on the list and usually via
Zone 1 - and then will list alternatives.

You must ONLY touch your Oyster Card / Contactless Card at the points
specified by TfL to benefit from a lower fare.


https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...?From=Worceste
r+Park+Rail+Station&FromId=910GWRCSTRP&To=Canary+W harf+Underground+Station&To
Id=940GZZLUCYF&PassengerType=Adult

In this case that is "in" at Worcester Park, "pink" at Canada Water
and "out" at Canary Wharf LU station.

The pink validators are at Overground platform level near the
escalators down to the Jubilee Line.

Helpful as ever, Paul!
I could not remember the location of the Canada Water pink validators.

One unhelpful thing, is that pink validator touches do not show on
Passenger Operated Machines. They do appear in online statements.
Colin Rosentiel was misinformed, when told printed statements can be
produced by POMs - even with staff intervention, unless the staff in
King's Cross are misinformed or undertrained.

I wasn't told that by station staff but in an email from TfL Customer
Services when I asked how I was going to obtain such vital data without
ticket offices. I was given considerable detail, including which stations
would be the first to get the necessary new machines back in April:

15 April 2015


Dear Mr Rosenstiel
Thank you for your email dated 17 March regarding the ticket machines
to be operated by staff at our stations when the ticket offices close.
These ticket machines will be able to carry out these functions.
They are currently being installed at stations and the first ones
will be available within the next two months. The first stations to
receive the machines will be Chigwell, Embankment, Roding Valley,
Shepherd's Bush, South Wimbledon, Temple, Theydon Bois and Upminster
Bridge. They should be available at all stations by December this
year.

--
Colin Rosenstiel