On 09/10/2015 18:42, Paul Corfield wrote:
Please check your journey in the TfL Single Fare Finder. That
specifies the default route - first one on the list and usually via
Zone 1 - and then will list alternatives.

You must ONLY touch your Oyster Card / Contactless Card at the points
specified by TfL to benefit from a lower fare.

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...ngerType=Adult

Thanks for telling us about the mobile version of the single fare
finder. SO I've just tried it on a sample journey and I'm not impressed.

My sample journey was one I actually do from time to time: King's Cross
St Pancras to Richmond (Surrey). It tells me the three options a

Oyster
peak £3.90 off-peak £2-80
(But no route is specified, does that mean using London Underground all
the way? I've no idea. And does "Oyster" imply London Underground
only, that implication is not spelled out, and does not seem very
logical now that Oyster cards are valid on a much greater variety of
trains).

Changing at Waterloo or Victoria and Clapham Junction:
Peak £5.40, off-peak £4.20

Changing at Vauxhall
Peak £5.00 off-peak £4.20

So if my assumptions are right it costs more to mix NR and TfL trains,
but why are the two off-peak fares the same but peak fares different?
Baffling.

Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely to
take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it isn't
listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged. Not only
that I don't know how to find out.


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Clive Page

In article , (Clive Page)
wrote:

On 09/10/2015 18:42, Paul Corfield wrote:
Please check your journey in the TfL Single Fare Finder. That
specifies the default route - first one on the list and usually via
Zone 1 - and then will list alternatives.

You must ONLY touch your Oyster Card / Contactless Card at the points
specified by TfL to benefit from a lower fare.


https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...From=Worcester
+Park+Rail+Station&FromId=910GWRCSTRP&To=Canary+Wh arf+Underground+Station&ToI
d=940GZZLUCYF&PassengerType=Adult

Thanks for telling us about the mobile version of the single fare
finder. SO I've just tried it on a sample journey and I'm not impressed.

My sample journey was one I actually do from time to time: King's
Cross St Pancras to Richmond (Surrey). It tells me the three options
a

Oyster
peak £3.90 off-peak £2-80
(But no route is specified, does that mean using London Underground
all the way? I've no idea. And does "Oyster" imply London
Underground only, that implication is not spelled out, and does not
seem very logical now that Oyster cards are valid on a much greater
variety of trains).

Oyster is valid all over Greater London. I guess that allows use of the most
direct route which will be on the Underground and/or Overground.

Changing at Waterloo or Victoria and Clapham Junction:
Peak £5.40, off-peak £4.20

Changing at Vauxhall
Peak £5.00 off-peak £4.20

So if my assumptions are right it costs more to mix NR and TfL
trains, but why are the two off-peak fares the same but peak fares
different? Baffling.

That's the way the TOCs were persuaded to accept Oyster. It makes train
travel more expensive Sarf of the River.

Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely
to take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it
isn't listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged.
Not only that I don't know how to find out.

It wouldn't be because you're starting in Zone 1. So there can't be a fare
avoiding Zone 1. You could try combining Kings Cross to West Hampstead and
West Hampstead to Richmond but you will have difficulty persuading the
Oyster system not to continue your journey from King's Cross when you
re-enter at West Hampstead. Maybe use 2 different cards though if you have a
railcard registered on Oyster that won't work as you can only register 1
card AIUI.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 11/10/2015 13:12, wrote:
In article , (Clive Page)
Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely
to take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it
isn't listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged.
Not only that I don't know how to find out.

It wouldn't be because you're starting in Zone 1. So there can't be a fare
avoiding Zone 1. You could try combining Kings Cross to West Hampstead and
West Hampstead to Richmond but you will have difficulty persuading the
Oyster system not to continue your journey from King's Cross when you
re-enter at West Hampstead. Maybe use 2 different cards though if you have a
railcard registered on Oyster that won't work as you can only register 1
card AIUI.


Sorry I don't follow you at all. I wasn't trying to get a fare avoiding
zone 1 obviously, as KX/St.P is in zone 1. But I would like a way of
finding what I would be charged if I use that route, which seems to me
to be quite s reasonable onr. I'm sure it can be done on an Oyster card
as a single trip, as the connection between West Hampstead Thameslink to
West Hampstead Overground is one generally accepted by routeing and fare
engines.

--
Clive Page

In article , (Clive Page)
wrote:

On 11/10/2015 13:12, wrote:
In article ,
(Clive Page)
Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely
to take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it
isn't listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged.
Not only that I don't know how to find out.

It wouldn't be because you're starting in Zone 1. So there can't be a
fare avoiding Zone 1. You could try combining Kings Cross to West
Hampstead and West Hampstead to Richmond but you will have difficulty
persuading the Oyster system not to continue your journey from King's
Cross when you re-enter at West Hampstead. Maybe use 2 different cards
though if you have a railcard registered on Oyster that won't work as
you can only register 1 card AIUI.

Sorry I don't follow you at all. I wasn't trying to get a fare
avoiding zone 1 obviously, as KX/St.P is in zone 1. But I would like
a way of finding what I would be charged if I use that route, which
seems to me to be quite s reasonable onr. I'm sure it can be done on
an Oyster card as a single trip, as the connection between West
Hampstead Thameslink to West Hampstead Overground is one generally
accepted by routeing and fare engines.

I think that is a valid route for the one fare given. Richmond is in Zone 4.
That route doesn't go further out than Zone 4.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Clive Page wrote:

My sample journey was one I actually do from time to time: King's
Cross St Pancras to Richmond (Surrey). It tells me the three options
a

Oyster
peak £3.90 off-peak £2-80
(But no route is specified, does that mean using London Underground
all the way? I've no idea. And does "Oyster" imply London
Underground only, that implication is not spelled out, and does not
seem very logical now that Oyster cards are valid on a much greater
variety of trains).

That is the default fare, which will be charged for any route you
choose to take that is not specifically listed as an exception. So as
long as you do not pass through the gatelines at Waterloo, Victoria or
Vauxhall you will be charged that fare.

Changing at Waterloo or Victoria and Clapham Junction:
Peak £5.40, off-peak £4.20

Changing at Vauxhall
Peak £5.00 off-peak £4.20

So if my assumptions are right it costs more to mix NR and TfL
trains, but why are the two off-peak fares the same but peak fares
different? Baffling.

Then the route I might well take is Thameslink to West Hampstead and
then West Hampstead Overground to Richmond. That route isn't likely
to take any longer than using the District Line to Richmond but it
isn't listed at all, so I have no idea what fare would be charged.
Not only that I don't know how to find out.

That would be charged at 3.90/2.80 as well.

Peter Smyth