On 2015-11-24, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground
has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens
they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street
Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the
existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have
been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some
point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying
the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track
use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to
do that.

Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

Eric
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ms fnd in a lbry

In article , (Eric) wrote:

On 2015-11-24,
wrote:
In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the
Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end
well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail
opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool
Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will
go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17
- 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some
point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to
LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without
destroying the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track
use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to
do that.

Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

I thought 9 and 10 were longer than the rest. Or did that go in the
rebuilding? I usually do see Norwich loco and DVT trains there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 2015-11-25, wrote:
In article , (Eric) wrote:

On 2015-11-24,
wrote:
In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the
Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end
well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail
opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool
Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will
go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17
- 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some
point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to
LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without
destroying the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track
use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to
do that.

Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

I thought 9 and 10 were longer than the rest. Or did that go in the
rebuilding?

Yes.

I usually do see Norwich loco and DVT trains there.

Yes, they are the usual platforms. 8 used to be used a lot at one time,
but I don't know about now.

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

In message , at 12:24:31
on Wed, 25 Nov 2015, remarked:
the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail
opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool
Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will
go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17
- 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some
point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to
LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without
destroying the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track
use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to
do that.

Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

I thought 9 and 10 were longer than the rest. Or did that go in the
rebuilding? I usually do see Norwich loco and DVT trains there.

According to this map they are all the same length, apart fro 17 & 18
which are slightly shorter:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/SME/ht...tml?rtnloc=LST
--
Roland Perry

In message , Eric
wrote:
Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18.

[Someone may have said this before, but I haven't seen it.]

Before the complete rebuild, 9 and 10 were significantly longer than the
rest. Then were the east side (11 to 18) which I think stayed the same
length when rebuilt, while the west side (1 to 8) were a lot shorter
(something like 6 or 8 chains).

In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

The Suburbans connect to 1 to 10.

The Mains connect to 5 to 14.

The Electrics connect to 13 to 18, though Bishopgate Jn means that a
train on the Up Electric can switch to the Up Main.

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In article , (Clive D.
W. Feather) wrote:

In message , Eric
wrote:
Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18.

[Someone may have said this before, but I haven't seen it.]

Before the complete rebuild, 9 and 10 were significantly longer than
the rest. Then were the east side (11 to 18) which I think stayed the
same length when rebuilt, while the west side (1 to 8) were a lot
shorter (something like 6 or 8 chains).

Wasn't the throat moved east and the west side platforms extended at the
country end?

In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

The Suburbans connect to 1 to 10.

The Mains connect to 5 to 14.

The Electrics connect to 13 to 18, though Bishopgate Jn means that a
train on the Up Electric can switch to the Up Main.

Thanks for the details, complete as ever, Clive.

--
Colin Rosenstiel